It has a decent floor but the celling is very limited. The worst firepower combo of 7.1s reload and sub-580 pen made its skill celling the lowest out of any top tier since its practically the worst in killing potentials. Its skill floor is better than the worst tanks like CR2 with its impressive mobility and decent UFP, but thats its only advantages.
Again, I think the forum has mythsized the tank too much. Its only edge in actual gameplay is its mobility. Just like the rest of top tier China, I am astounded when someone say the tor is the second best top tier AA.
- RB, Churchill Mk. III: 4.0 down to 3.7. Less mobility than the Churchill Mk. I, same hull armour, and worse turret armour (only 3.5 inches compared to 4 inches). The gun is better, but that’s it. It’s also the same gun that’s on the AEC Mk. II at 3.0.
Good gun, extremely good mobility, making this a very good flanker, that can be in very advantageous positions very early in the game. It cannon also have really good pen for its BR, and therefore is able to deal with vehicles a lot higher BR than itself, as seen in how many people actually bring it up into a lot higher games such as 6.X, 8.X or even top tier.
- RB, Churchill NA75: 4.3 down to 4.0. It’s more of a side-grade over the Churchill Mk. III, not a direct upgrade. You lose the good rate-of-fire, lose the shoulder stabiliser, and lose a decent amount of penetration for a better damaging shell. That’s the only difference, the shell is good but if the Churchill Mk. III goes down then the NA75 should as well.
- RB, Comet: 5.3 down to 5.0. It’s really a shadow of its former self. The A30 Challenger is a better vehicle in almost everyway. Just compare it to the VK 3002 (M).
Good gun, extremely good mobility, making this a very good flanker, that can be in very advantageous positions very early in the game. It cannon also have decent good pen for its BR with HE filler, and therefore is able to deal with vehicles a lot higher BR than itself, as seen in how many people actually bring it up into a lot higher games such as 6.X, 8.X or even top tier.
Revising the chart, it is clearer and clearer that 12.0 for ground does nothing.
Almost every 10.0+ vehicle goes up by 1 BR step… so it changes nothing for them.
Leopard 2A5 is still the same BR as Leopard 2A7V.
M1A2 and even some Challenger 2s are still the same BR as Strv 122s.
M1A1 and IPM1 still face Leopard 2A7HUs…
What’s the point? Nothing changes.
Ground needs to be decompressed to 13.0; and, ideally, 13.7, so that other, lower BRs can also be decompressed.
I am never scared of pulling up to ZTZ99As in an ariete because I am confident that a shot to the LFP sends them to the hangar. In reverse as well, but even against arietes the ZTZ99As would aim for gun or breech with their horrendous reload.
- RB, Skink: 5.3 down to 4.7. Just like the Crusader AA Mk. II really don’t understand why it keeps going up. Again, just compare it to the Wirbelwind, you still have less firepower and penetration but now have the double the guns of the Crusader AA Mk. II, and the same amount of guns as the Whirbelwind. Is that really worth a BR increase of 1.3 currently (4.0 to 5.3)?
- RB, Tortoise: 6.7 down to 6.3. Just compare it to the T28, very similar vehicles except the Tortoise is covered in weakspots, lacks APHE, and just as slow.
- RB, Falcon: 8.3 down to 7.7. Just remove the APDS and/or adjust the belts. There’s now 3 British SPAA’s at 8.3 now, what’s the point? The Falcon has no radar and should be lower. Just compare it to the ZSU-37-2 and the VEAK 40 which have similar shells and radar, yet both are 7.7.
It’s a capable tank, if you’re not getting hit, playing as light tank. But that literally goes for anything with tracks that can go fast and has 120mm gun with stabilizer, which is 99% of the tanks at top tier, but half of them also have passive protection on top with Spall Liners, Relikt ERA’s, impenetrable hulls or fuel tanks that also work as extra spall liner.
It doesn’t struggle against t-34s nor M4 Sherman’s what are you talking about 😂 if you play it correctly it still works really well if you don’t get total up tier, and if you do, just spawn another tank. Problem is churchil going down in br. I remember what pain it was to deal with while playing low tier Japan (2.0 chi-ha vs 3.0 Churchill 💀)
As of now, M1A2 SEPv2 isn’t even a sidegrade to SEP, but even a downgrade; since it can’t take off the extra weight of TUSK II, which provides no real protection anyway.
Since SEPv2 is suppossed the pinnacle of the U.S tree, I think it should get its historical M829A3 shell so that at least it feels like an actual upgrade in ONE field, since it’s still otherwise nearly identical to the M1A2 that was the pinnacle of the U.S tech tree back in 2019.