Planned Battle Rating Changes for October 2024

[Shrek_2_On_DVD]

Air Realistic Battles, A-7E, 10.7 > 10.3 (also option to add historical 2 x AIM-9Ls if need be).

The A-7E Corsair II, unlike the A-10A Early/Late Thunderbolt II, is worse in almost every single aspect as both a CAS ground attack aircraft and most in particular, air-to-air defence against other supersonic enemy fighters. Other than a higher subsonic top speed, (which it won’t reach with ordinance equipped) Other than a LANA pod and some television-guided AGM-62A Walleyes that aren’t really that useful or helpful to your team other than killing a few AI ground targets more accurately. This aircraft is worse than the A-10 in nearly every way when it comes to aerial combat with worse air-to-air missiles, way less flare/chaff count, less main gun firepower and of course, the maneuverability and dogfighting abilities which are far more suitable and useful in the sense for Air RB.

It’s also worth noting the A-7 Corsair IIs were historically were dated in service a lot earlier than the A-10 Thunderbolts before eventually being replaced by F/A-18 Hornets. IMO, the folder should come BEFORE the A-10C Late in the strike fighter line.

[Fujiymom]

Question to the developers… why now all tops have a 5 second cooldown? What makes Britain unique now? Previously, they only had one, albeit with an ammunition rack of 4-5 rounds… Why Of40(MCTA) nefr? Is there no TAM2IP? What if we nerf everything like this?

[七-十三]

delusional. 12.7 AIM-9M with 240CM and MAW is plenty better than fucking netz with 6 dogshit missile.

[GhostAVLA]

Sea Harrier FRS1(early) should remain at 10.7
It has no advantage in going into a higher br especially what it only has 2x aim9L which are VERY flare hungry! it has low agility & low level antiground payload. Please stop ruining british Harriers! leave at 10.7 PLEASE!

[Navy_Phantom]

@ArrowViper1

HSTVL is unkillable when hull down

Ever heard of HE shells? It’s not unkillable, you just don’t know how. And with it’s slow fire-rate and pathetic post pen damage, it’s hardly a threat if you’re in modern MBTs. 2S38 meanwhile can completely blind you with it’s very high fire rate and over 140+ ammo reserve. And also the gun accuracy in HSTV-L is pathetic.

[七-十三]

ARB. F-4J(UK), Phantom FGR.1, Phantom FG.12.0 > 11.7
ARB. F-4E Kurnass 2000.12.3 > 11.7

These Phantoms does not have what makes PD Phantom a good plane, namely HMS, 6 SARH Mount, and Leading-Edge Slats, these are not the planes that flies in the same level as F-4S and F-4J with how bad it’s SARH is (Skyflash is vastly inferior to AIM-7F), these planes and other phantom in the same predicament should not be in the same BR range. and having vulcan gunpod is not an equaliser to HMS or AIM-7F.

For K2K, it’s basically F-4F with 6 AIM-9L, no reason for it to be in 12.3.

[Navy_Phantom]

@jspene

T-80BVM is fine at 12.0, it is worse than 2A7V in essentially every way besides a bit of forward mobility.

No, BVM is still vastly superior to all other tanks after 2A7’s and Strv 122’s. It’s only major drawback is the reverse speed.

Imo the T-80BVM, T-90M should be 0.3 and 2A7’s, Strv’s 0.7 BR higher than regular tanks, while Challengers, Ariete and Merkavas could be 0.3 BR lowered if additional balancing is needed after these changes.

[Curreccia]

Air RB F-104S.ASA 12.0 > 11.7

The BR of F-104S.ASA in Air RB should be 11.7 or 11.3.
It does not even have a directional RWR of 12.0, which is where most radar guided missiles are.
In addition, the last major update made the overall mobility worse. This makes it very difficult to avoid radar-guided missiles, which was barely possible.
On the other hand, JA37Ds and Tornado ADVs, which are also located at 12.0, can use excellent missiles, radar, fixed armament, better RWR, and more C/F.
Obviously the F-104S.ASA should not be located at 12.0, it should be placed at 11.7 or 11.3.

[WhoopwhooPullUp]

It turns out that believing in the balance of a snail is as irrational as a fish on a chopping board. Therefore, the best approach is to stay away from the paid content of the game.For example, the J35 fighter jet, which has an air superiority advantage, is not even able to match any of the F4 fighters that have chosen to dominate the skies.

[Navy_Phantom]

Strv 122’s > Leopard 2A7’s > T-80BVM > T-90M > regular mbts > Challengers, Merkavas and Ariete

Correct me if I’m wrong, then why.

[麻衣学姐快_踩_我]

ZTZ99A/WZ1001(E)/VT4A1 11.7->11.3
Reason: Poor protection, slowest reload time, only 577mm shell penetration, just recently, the main armor of the ZTZ99A was weakened by 200KE, and GAIJIN did not come up with any reason. This is not an emotionally charged report, but a fact.

[deleted_user]

As for these br changes, I look forward to playing 9.0 to 9.3 ground br battles. I hope we don’t get to face premium leo 2a4s in the future. This means XM-1, AMX-30 super, 1a1L44, C2A1, 72A, 64A, Bs and M60s will become viable again.

BMD-4 as a support vehicle to the 9.3 line up will be fun to play and yes BMP-3 as well. After a few games switch over and paly Galbatsh and Merkava1s. Then switch to XM-1 and M60 hope this become viable.

[KosakaWakamoPrPr]

Air Realistic Battles, Milan. 9.7 > 9.3/9.0.
It cant properly bomb bases, nor can it properly fight enemy aircraft and it gets outmatched by most of the opponents at the same br as they have a better turn rate and much better missiles. The Milan doesn´t have flares and can meet R-60Ms and Aim-9Ls, which are guaranteed to destroy it.

[FlyingOstridge]

Battle Rating changes for January 2024 (post feedback)

80% of the war thunder community would also like an increase in the max BR of ground vehicles from 11.7 to 12.3

Shameless plug. (Why not 12.3?)

[Just_Passing_By]

F104C 9.3 → 9.7, it has 4 aim9bs, and other supersonics are moving up as well.

[Conundrummer]

Genuinely awful.

How is the F8U still untouched? If Gaijin truly are changing BRs based purely on statistics then that thing should go directly to 10.7 with no questions asked, while in reality it’s not even on the list. Biggest miss in the entire table.
J-7E is also strangely absent.

Other questionable changes are the Mig-21bis and F-5C. The 21bis was incredibly competent after the first round of decompression and was only held back by the F-14 swarms which are being moved outside of 11.3 range anyway. Now it will be an absolute menace and will wield 6 all aspect missiles against flareless jets quite often (J-35D, F-4C, F-105, etc. aren’t even a full downtier away). And for the love of God, can the F-5C please not handhold wallet warriors for at least one full patch? For the first time since its release it was perfectly balanced at 11.0 and now for some reason it’s going back to clubbing 9.7s.
And why are we still balancing jets in ARB according to bomb loads? Su-7 is just a worse MiG-19 but will now sit above it. Just because people brainlessly basebomb with certain vehicles doesn’t mean they should be made unplayable for those that actually play them as fighters. In fact that only makes the problem worse and cements them as vehicles only good for killing one base and then dying. F-4C is also a victim of this.

The only changes I agree in the entire list are the A-5C and F-4EJ. And I was seriously looking forward to the next set of BR adjustments. What a fucking mess…

[川口クルド防衛隊]

@七-十三

PL-5B does not outperform any missile in 10.0-11.0 range.

This is simply incorrect.

Rocket motor burn time is lower than R-60, but that is not a problem because it accelerates to insane speeds.
Also, short burn time makes it difficult for the player to see the missile.

It also has a smaller FOV than the R-60, so it is less likely to see flares when missile tracks to the target.(and that’s how some IRCCMs missiles such as R-73/Magic II works)

The range is also pretty decent, and depending on the situation, you can hit a target that is hugging near the ground, at the same speed as you, even you launched it from 3km. It is kinda impossible other missiles except AIM-9D/Gs.

@七-十三

I have seen 9L ignore 4 flare pops but not PL-5B, this thing changes target at the slightest temperature change. this thing changes target at the slightest temperature change.

It depends on the situation that PL-5B and AIM-9L ignore flares.
BTW, FOV of PL-5B is smaller than AIM-9L.

@七-十三

I don’t see any valid reason that makes it somehow a 11.0 material.

The PL-5B, literally the best rear-aspect missile, is the reason.

@七-十三

PL-5B killing 9.7 does not sounds so crazy now, unless you’re dingus.

Delusional if you think spamming PL-5Bs against Hunter F.6, Gen’1 Harriers, MiG-21S/SPS-K, Jaguar GR.1, Milan, MiG-23BN or Su-7BMK/BKL in soon™ is good idea.

Some of them are flareless subsonic jets btw.

@七-十三

You can just squad up with someone in 12.0 and brag about your skill in J-7D, go do it.

I literally bought the J-7D on pre-order and have been using it ever since.
At that time they suffered considerably for F-16A and MiG-29A, F-14A/B spam, but after decompression I didn’t feel any problems at all including full uptier games.

@七-十三

I don’t want to become mental like you.

There was no need for personal attacks, even if you were one of the random guy who has skill issue just like tons of F-4S spammers.

@七-十三

plus, SMT and MF at least have an autodelete headon button that is R3R

R-3R is literally radar guided R-3S.
It literally only works against chaffless jets, and even if you were gets launched R-3R, you could still dodge it by just barrel rolling. (Also that’s what I’m doing when I’m on Mirage IIICJ and gets launched R-3R by MiG-21S)

Maybe, it would be OK in sim because R-3R launching doesn’t tell most RWRs but, you can see any missile with red diamond markers in ARB match.

If you are in an aircraft that has chaff and you get wiped by an R-3R, it means you just have massive skill issue.

[TotsugekiTaicho]

Why is the F8F-1 going down to 4.7?
We do not understand how that is a lower rating than the A6M5.

[麻衣学姐快_踩_我]

ZTZ99A/WZ1001(E)/VT4A1 11.7->11.3
The reason is：the slowest loading time in the top room is 7.1, the depth of penetration is 577, the protection is leaky, a gun is dead plus GAIJIN gave 99a main armour to cut a knife which makes the protection even more leaky. 99a mobility is okay, but can’t pull the gap, and even in the cross-country terrain still can’t run but the tanks such as t80bvm. As for the vt4, I don’t want to say anything more, protection, firepower, manoeuvrability, and the pitch angle of one of the things it doesn’t deserve!

[boeinge8]

The Peten should stay at it’s current BR. It’s inferior to the Seraph at the same BR. And there is no need for two helicopters to bei at the same BR

Peten 11.7>11.3