210mm is not enough… at yet there is the IS-4M with only 230mm, and T32E1 with only 224mm with absymal reload. They sort of make up for it with their armour.
In the same vein, the 210mm is good enough for most tanks you face (other than super heavies). Even then, flanking with them (especially with the char 25t) is a must, and should reap great rewards.
1 Like
they dont, those tactics apply for props and early jets, not for top-tier where your main weapon are you missiles.
that sounds like the avg top-tier gameplay, no matter if down or up tier
the 7M is a good radar missile, not on r27er level but still good - thats the point.
its not only because of the energy retention, it’s the roll rate, the pull on high speed, the pull on slow speeds the ability to quickly change directions etc and yes, of course energy retention is also big aspect but not the only one
thats literally the point that applies to you.
if you see it that way im sorry but im not coping about something, just stating the facts of top-tier arb and a planes performance and im not alone with the opinion that F15 should go to 12,7 as well (for example DEFYN thinks the same)
it is because i GE`d every needed mod in the flanker (all missiles etc) and on the F15 i didnt.
because it is? maybe?
ofc gaijin needs to decide in the end but that doesnt mean we cant debate about upcoming changes
1 Like
Reads like butthurt, the F-15 should be 12.7 like the rest of the new 4th gens thats just a fact stop trying to make higher tier jets lower in br relative to where they should be the F-15 should not be fighting phantoms and Mig-23 also what are you trying to claim with 7Ms and skyflash, the skyflash is a horrible missile
3 Likes
“only” 230 in enough to pen anything that other nations have to throw at you if you’re playing russia. Only the T32 struggles a bit.
with 210 you can’t pen ANY russian tank from the front other than lightly armoured stuff. Good luck flanking a T-54 by the way or dealing with the volumeshit side armour of the IS family.
And now you’re telling me that i’ll have to face the obj 279 with 210mm of pen and no armour ?
1 Like
I don’t think a lot of these changes make a lot of sense, and I’m concerned that player using things like the Zero, French 7.7 line up, and T20 are being punished for effectively using tanks that are not better than their competition. additionally, many of these vehicles, like the French 7.7 line up will not be competitive and effective against the increase in 8.7 and new 9.0 enemies.
5 Likes
Agreed. Same for the AMX 10 P. It’s going at the same BR than the BTR ZD while being worse in every domain. 1 20 mm autocanon vs 2 23mm ones … wtf ?
3 Likes
Yes, only 230mm. The IS-4M cannot even pen the cheeks of the Maus. And I didn’t just say M82 shot. Are you ignoring my comments on the AMXs with ~270mm pen?
T-54s can be flanked (just like with any tank really), but it might be more difficult than something like an IS-4M. You can even shoot its cupola with M82 shot and will kill its gunner and commander.
As for volumetric shit, that’s not a problem inherent to AMXs.
Obj 279 is a different problem. It used to be 8.7, and screwed up 7.7s very easily. Now that it’s 9.0, it’s still the same issue since most 7.7s went up to 8.0. The object 279 should honestly go to 9.3 (although it will definitely start suffering in 10.3 uptiers if they’re not careful).
1 Like
I’m a bit lost on why the AGS needs to be increased. A better penning round can’t be the only reason. Speed and maneuverability? No different than say the TAM 2IP. Small, fast, easy to maneuver, able to scout, and has a 400+ pen round and that’s at 9.7.
The AGS is fine where it’s at. If anything, the HSTV-L needs to come down to 10.3.
I want to say yes here but Gaijin is aware of the fact their game has up-tiers and down-tiers right? With the (poor and unnecessary) implementation of spall liners, it’s going to have front row seats on the struggle bus in terms of viability against 11.7 MBTs.
2 Likes
Gaijin doesn’t care about vehicle characteristics/capabilities, they see numbers on a spreadsheet and adjust
1 Like
If that was the case, US top-tier wouldn’t be in such a horrible state.
But it can clearly tank some shots while its allies kill the Maus.
Singular since only the Somua is going up. That means that the problem with it is it’s armour that really is nothing special since any T-54 is even better protected.
Yet they are the only ones going up.
Should be completely removed but that’s a story for another time.
1 Like
What a new premium vehicle and new years sales does to a MF
These air changes are half-decent, but all the tank changes are beyond horrendous. PLEASE do not implement these ground changes!!! Ibeg of you please dont destroy france
3 Likes
The only decent lineup that they have will be destroyed once again
How, by all the gods, Is strela not being moved to 10.7/11? You guys either need to nerf that missile or move it up to a BR where planes have even a remote chance to defend. I could break my finger spamming flares and juking and if, by the grace of god I avoid one, it just fires again and kills. It’s an automatic deterrence for anyone who plays non russian planes to even grind to get a plane to play in ground
1 Like
Yes, the IS-4M can tank some shots, but that’s useless (to yourself) if you don’t get any kills. Plus, the Maus can pen its driver’s port and armour becomes futile with HEATFS / APDS that is fairly common at 7.7.
Nothing special? The 4 second reload autoloader is nothing special?
???
Been there done that. Have yet to go back for the new stuff
This would make the S4 actually be useful. My fear would be that as soon as I decided to consume it, Gaijin ups the BR to make it redundant again.
I was talking about the armour. The 4s gun is nice but you need at least two shots to kill anyhting so it’s just normal. Only 8 ammo is also a bit short because you become pretty useless after that.
1 Like
Yeah, It being 11.7 would make it a really strong and interseting aircraft to fly, especially with the new brackets. But having spent the better part of a year facing nothing but uptiers, I also wouldnt want it to be a dominant aircraft that just ruined the game for everyone else.
Its a tough call.
We’ll have to wait and see what they do, being an event vehicle, they might leave it.