Yes, the only problem I have with the Falcon moving up in BR is that it doesn’t get a search radar. However, it is still more than capable at dealing with air (even without a track radar). The guns are very easy to aim, and the targeting speed, for both vertical and horizontal, is insane.
The Falcon should be downtiered not uptiered! It’s already terrible for its AA Duties. Please just let it be 7.3 without APDS or something. You are proactively destroying any ability for Britain to have functional AA. The Stormer HVM doesn’t work at all, and now you’re making the Falcon completely useless by infinitely uptiering it until nobody plays it. Britain will once again have a gigantic gap in effective AA, which is paired with you uptiering all our early jets so that we can’t do anything to aircraft anymore. Stop using Britain as your punching bag.
Stop punishing AA for being effective as AA. It already dies to .50 cal fire from the front, it’s not exactly some menace of a vehicle. Look at the massive difference in your bias towards nations, Italy gets a Leopard 1 AA that can front-pen shermans at 5.3 whilst at the same BR the skink can’t even side-pen a Sherman, and Britain now has to pretend the Falcon is an 8.3 AA with no thermals, no radar, and zero survivability. Falcon should go back to 7.7, not up to 8.3.
Japan
Planes
Ki-61-I otsu Hien 3.7 AB BR Tier 2 move to Tier 3…China has the same plane in there tree but at Tier 3 please move this to the same tier also.
Ki-44-II hei Shoki AB BR 3.7 Tier 2 move to Tier 3…China has the same plane in there tree but at Tier 3 please move this to the same tier
A6M2 AB BR 3.7 Tier 2 move to Tier 3…China has the plane which is a premium but this one is still the same just at Tier 3 so please move this to the same tier that.
None of these change would effect the Japan tree to much for tier 2 aircraft, it would even help other play the nation with some more tier 2 planes added to tier 3.
US
Tanks
M4
M4A2
Both these tanks need to be moved up in tier as other nations have them at tier 3
Italy
Ships
Freccia P-493 to 4.3 not sure why this is at 4.7 it doesn’t even see any coastle at all as its always up tired to 5.7 most of the time
Satetta P-494 to 4.3 same as the Freccia P-493
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J-8F is the only one that got no radar-guided missile at 12.0. It just got 6 IR missiles without DIRCM. And this 2nd gen jet cannot compete with those 3rd gens in dogfight.
French oscillating turrets now have to fight against tanks with large angle composite armor. Rediculous.
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In BR 4.7,
【USS Gearing】has 6×127mm，16×40mm，11×20mm guns,
【USS Sumner】has 6×127mm，12×40mm，10×20mm guns,
In BR 5.0
【USS Phelps】 has 5×127mm， 8×40mm， 6×20mm guns.
So, why 【USS Phelps】stays in BR 5.0 ?
Shouldn’t she stays in BR 4.7 , Mr. GAIJIN ?
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Mig 29smt should stay at 12.3. Its just upgraded version of mig29. its got worse flight performance and missile loadout than Su-27.
Dear Devs, @Smin1080p @Stona_WT @OrsonES,
It is shown once again, that your BR management system is Wrong.
You compare results of vehicules, with not a single sight of the gameplay quality of players using such vehicules.
Most minor nation are played by Experienced Players, meanwhile Every Major Nation are played with a mix of Experienced and Newbies Players.
Major nation are the first “go to” nation of most new players.
Minor nation aren’t a “Go to” for new players
Therefore the results can’t be compared equally,… because an experienced player will be faster to adapt/manage it’s vehicule, making it more efficient statistically.
This BR management used, is basically taking statistics of results, without balancing them with experience of players.
I solely ask that this system should be ignored/deleted from this update and following one.
We have several minor nation vehicules struggling to even kill vehicules of same BR/+0.3 BR (and even some, struggling against -0.3BR vehicules), while being inefficient. But those vehicules are having “good” or “ok” stats because of the players behind the commands.
The game needs a COMPLETE Rework of it’s balancing system.
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@Stona_WT
Hey Stona
Is there a reason why the Mirage2000-CS5 is going up in BR whilst the Mirage2000-CS4 stays at 11.7? They are essentially the same and with the new SB brackets, the Mirage2000-CS4 is going to be fully downtiered 3 out of the 4 rotations whilst the Mirage2000-CS5 is stuck fighting 12.7 every single rotation.
I think you should either keep the Mirage2000-CS5 at 11.7, or raise the Mirage2000-CS4 to 12.0 as well
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Sure, I just fully reject the idea that it is “the same as a Panther”, because it absolutely is better than one as it stands.
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Poor example. BRs are based on efficency. Just because the T-54 has the the best armor of the early post-war mediums, doesn’t make the French vehicle worse.
The French vehicle all have much better mobility and lightning fast turret traverse speed in comparison. This makes them much more aggressive.
Players generally don’t think about how a vehicle influences the entire battle instead of how a can or can’t deal with some vehicles on the battlefield.
Armor might be helpful in some situations and it’s the same deal with firepower and mobility but it’s the combination that makes vehicles effective.
Having an early impact by getting caps and/or some ambush kills and then spawning in a plane with bombs, that can negate the armor of any tank, gives your team a huge advantage in resources by numbers or firepower.
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We don’t know the details of how they judge efficiency of a vehicle.
We dont know the numbers behind what they put out in terms of balance suggestions
Idk what you are basing your assumptions on. But balancing based on statistics is how you are gonna go about this.
Nice, like adding a measly .4 on to the Strela is going to balance it, nice one. Anyway, most of them are pretty decent.
A lot of these changes are good, but there are a few issues.
The 2 biggest issues are that the F-15s need to go up in BR and that France’s 7.7 lineup is destroyed.
The F-15s are insanely good vehicles and have to go up in BR alongside the Su-27 and J-11.
France’s 7.7 lineup is also destroyed now. The Char 25t, AMX-50 (TO90/930), and E.B.R. (1963) are all vehicles that absolutely should not be able to face the likes of the Leopard A1A1 and Class 3 (P). An argument can be made for the Somua SM going up in BR, but the Char 25t, AMX-50 (TO90/930), and E.B.R. (1963) will be annihilated at 8.0.
The AMX-10P going up is also crazy. The AMX-10P is already a bad vehicle at 5.3. It’s not fun to play, it doesn’t perform well, and doesn’t strengthen its lineup. If anything, it should go down in BR to 5.0, not up.
Also, if the American and Chinese P-51D-20s are going down, then the Israeli P-51D-20 also has to go down in BR.
Finally, there’s the Mirage 2000C-S4. Because of its single pops versus the Mirage 2000C-S5’s double pops of countermeasures, the Mirage 2000C-S4 technically gets 3 more drops of flares than the S5 does, even though it is fewer flares per drop. This means that it absolutely should go up to 12.0 with the Mirgae 2000C-S5.
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Sagittario 2 going up to 9.3 is ridiculous. so many italian aircraft are getting this awful treatment of just getting moved far above what they can handle. Re2005 is facing F-84 and is barely as fast as an A6M because of player performance skewing results. At 9.3, the Sagittario will be at the same BR as its greatly upgraded variant, the Ariete. This makes no sense at all. 9.3 as it is gets an awful matchmaker. Saggitario has poor acceleration and is quite slow, and at 9.3, it will be stomped by the supersonic 10.3 aircraft that it doesnt need to be seeing at all. Leave Saggitario alone at 9.0, and stop moving the few decent Italian aircraft up into BRs they suffer in.
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Everyone has forgotten about those pretend top tier vehicles.
You’re on the right track, but i think balancing using only AVG players is a bad idea. This would push easy to play vehicles to a higher BR and harder to play vehicles lower. Take the MiG-19 Vs the Ariete. For a bad player it’d be way easier to get kills in an Ariete than a MiG-19, even if the MiG-19 is a better plane.
Instead of using statistics from bad players, they should do the opposite. Disregard the bottom 40-50% of players from the statistics entirely. This would allow vehicles that currently look good in their statistics to actually reflect their real capability. E.g. The Saggitario 2 looks good in stats, but this is only because you mainly only kill bad players in it, if those kills were ignored, and only the kills on good players, by good players were counted, then it would most likely have far worse stats, since the Saggitario is easily countered if you know what you are doing.
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Wow.
What a slap in the face for people who enjoy playing France.
Clearly Gaijin won’t be satisfied until they’ve completely destroyed France’s playability as a nation. The 7.7 line-up already suffered in up-tiers to 8.7. Now they’re expected to face 9.0 tanks. Obviously Gaijin don’t understand the concept of competent tanks in the hands of great players = good win rate. They insist on just looking at the “numbers” and make balancing decisions based on that without taking any other factors into consideration.
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I think the Mirage2000-CS5 should either stay at 11.7, or the Mirage2000-CS4 should be raised to 12.0 as well. (at least for the SB BR)
Keeping a limited edition event vehicle (the CS4, which is essentially the same as the CS5) at 11.7 will start an unattainable meta in SB matches now that 11.7 is fully downtiered 3 out of 4 rotations.
I’m fine with 11.7 being meta, but don’t limit it to an event vehicle people can no longer get, there are already very few nations with a solid 11.7 jet.
(F14a and M2K-CS4 will be insanely meta in SB now)
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This is a 5.0 heavy bomber, an Me 264, able to travel at 475km/h
This is a soon to be 5.3 fighter plane, an A6M5 Ko, able to travel at 475km/h
How exactly are you moving up a plane that struggles to even catch long range bombers at it’s BR?
It’s bad enough trying to fight a 335, Fw, 109s, P-51s, La’s, Yaks at the same or lower BR as it is, and you want it to go all the way to 6.3 fighting early jets? Things that are 300km/h faster?
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BRs are just super compressed. They decrompresed late WW2 BRs to appease players but few months later and Gaijin algorithm tells them that vehicles are too effective and now everything shifts back to the old BRs.
If you look at 6.0-8.0 you’ll see that a lot of vehicles share the same BR despite some being vastly better. 8.0 alone is just bonkers with previously lower BR vehicles sharing the same spot with superior vehicles that used to have a higher BR.
The BR system is just bad. Create some MM tiers like SIM and adjust RP and SL modifiers based on efficency.
Play the most OP vehicle? Well, you earn very little unless you get enough kills.
Play underdog and get rewarded for actually doing well.
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