Is no one gonna talk about how the T-20 is going up again. Seriously, 149mm of pen at 6.3 is dogshit and isn’t useful, bring it down, to at bare minimum to 5.3.
French main here, and experienced player: 4000+ hours in game, 65% winrate and 1.65 K/D in GRB, 58% winrate in ARB.
I stopped playing the French BR range 4.7 - 9.3 because I would fight at such a disadvantage that it’s not even worth trying.
I used to be able to compensate the lack of efficiency of my French line ups by outsmarting my enemies and playing carefully.
Now I can’t even do that anymore in that range – and you’re proposing to make it worse.
These 7.7 should go down in BR, not up.
French line ups are not appealing to anyone but hardcore players that enjoy a difficult challenge, that’s probably why they may perform well in statistics.
Have you considered to use statistics from “average players” only? And excluding top performing players?
Please reconsider this appalling change.
WanouMars
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I think on the whole these BR changes are mostly pretty good though i do have a few thoughts on various higher rank aircraft for the coming balance pass:
The incremental increase for most top tier aircraft is very good for overall decompression, though the Barak 2 & f16C don’t have the same potential or performance as fighters as the other proposed 12.7 aircraft which came in the latest major patch (flanker’s, grippen’s, m4k). While they do offer an increase in air to ground capability/avionics, this in my honest opinion is not enough of a step up over other nations capability around 12.3 to warrant an increase to 12.7 alongside such high performing air superiority fighters, at least until fox3’s and/or more modern IR’s come at which point any new missiles they receive can be considered.
su25BM: in RB is 11.0, 0.3 bellow the other more modern frog’s. This is reasonable since it is objectively worse is almost every regard. Though in sim, it is 11.3 alongside these more modern aircraft, i think it should go down to 11.0 matching its rb br to keep this distinction in capabilities between itself and the su39/su25T - as currently there is entirely no point to play it at its current sim br when considering the other vehicles.
Furthermore, all su25’s past the initial 10.0 version sit at very awkward BR’s considering their relative effectiveness in their job as CAS, the anti-air systems they regularly face, and the capabilities of other nations CAS at similar BR’s from 10.3 upwards. Generally, they can’t employ their weapons nearly as effectively as anything else at 11-11.3 - due to the nature of their slower airframe, poor optics relative to their performance & br, and poor ability to operate from defensible altitudes alongside their current contemporaries. Naturally the r73 is a strong missile, but something needs to be done as their current BR doesn’t accurately reflect their practical effectiveness in their intended role at all and potentially incrementally lowering all modern frogfoot br’s relative to other vehicles at their current BR should be considered. ~11.3+ is only appropriate for such slow & low altitude cas if they have capability to acquire and fire on targets fast with better optics and thermal capability, such as future aircraft like su25sm3 & a10C.
I also support the idea’s others have brought up in regard to the yak141 receiving its archers, potentially losing its (from my understanding) ahistorical limit to ER/ET’s only allowed on the innermost pylons - and going up in BR accordingly to at least 12.3 to match other light fighters with similar armament.
In the same vane, the mig29 9.13 should receive its r73’s and moved to at least 12.3 matching the mig29G - these were a core part of its primary armament from the beginning of its service and were stated to only be removed in game so that the missile guidance could be further worked on. We have had them in the game now for multiple major updates, and especially since the addition of the flanker - the playerbase has adapted to the missile and its implementation on high AoA capable fighters, there is no longer any reasonable reason to hold them back beside forcing unnecessary BR progression with very ahistoric loadouts. I wouldn’t mind the 9.12 also receiving them (and moving up to 12.3 then having the 29G foldered under it at the same BR, as irl it’s basically only an avionics refit to comply with nato standards anyway), though i do think it would make a fun & unique aspect to the east German aircraft to sit as the only mig29 at 12.0 without them.
Finally, like the f16c & Barak, the mig29SMT does not deserve to be placed at 12.7 alongside much more capable aircraft. It has a distinctively worse FM not only compared to all other proposed 12.7’s, but also against all current or proposed 12.3’s and all other mig29’s - while only having, at most equal but often worse ordinance load for both air-to-air or air-to-ground. The slight increase in radar/rwr/ground ordinance capability does not match the severe decrease received in FM performance, neither would any increased atg capability it may receive in the future with addition of the various laser guided ordinance & targeting pods it can carry - as this would only place it on par with current capabilities of other nations at the same BR. As such, SMT should remain at the same BR as the 29G at least until the addition of r77’s & more modern IR missiles.
If u got through reading all that well done, i know it was a lot haha.
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For god sake how many players are complaining about overpowered french tanks like Char 25T?? ZERO! So why do you have to do dumb changes like this one
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Please explain how you come up with these changes.
They make little sense to people who actually play the game.
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I’ve read for a while and can’t find anyone else mentioning it
PLEASE make the Strela 10.3-10.7, that thing is just too powerful at 9.3, and at 9.7 its missiles fly circles around the joke that is the Stinger K, atm I’d say the Strela is easily the most dangerous SPAA in the game for how many you face vs how few Type 81s you see… in one game, you might see between ~0~ and ~1~ Type 81, if you face Russia you’ll face at least 2-8, as they’re so cheap to spawn, and so murderously efficient, that they’re an “Must Have” in ALL Russian lineups from 9.3 upwards… facing a Strela in 8.7 CAS is just unwinnable as that thing can lock and kill anything but an Israeli A-4E miles before the Strela is in any danger.
(TL:DR make Strela’s BR higher as it is just TOO POWERFUL at below 10.0-10.3. anyone can show you that the Strela can comfortably fight against 12.3 jets as the missiles are borderline immune to flares)
(ALSO APOLOGIES FOR DELETING AND REPOSTING! for some reason I somehow replied to someone when I didn’t mean to)
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XM8 9.3-10.0 could need a M833, since its a good tank but needs a better round to fight back in a lot of scenario
Strela AA needs to be at 10.0 its missiles having optical and IR tracking allows it to reach far out and deny a lot planes a chance at its BR a chance to engage in combat
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Pz.W. 42 2.3 → 1.7 especially in an uptier there are enemy you cant even (or very hardly) destroy as the rockets only have 27mm penetrarion, on top of that the vehicle is just so painfully slow.
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pr.56 going to 5.3? Are you sure gaijin? I don’t think 56 can compare with Atlanta or krasny krym.
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I feel like the sagittario shouldnt be the same br as the ariete as its engine preformance is already really poor for its br while it can compensate for it with turn rate and guns it will be outran by every other aircraft in an uptier and in a lot of cases even in a downtier making it kinda useless
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Pffff Strela move to 9.7 just up 0.4 br lol sure anything that make Russia main’s life easier meanwhile type 81 go to 11.0
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LMAO… Are you joking?
Dear Gaijin devs, the VERY best idea about every BR changes (or every changes in general) would be to add the reason of proposed change (with sources if in vehicle change, as we have to in bug reports) - change my mind.
For example:
Vidar 8.0 → 9.0 RB, good mobility, good armor vs low calibres, very good HE round with 9kg tnt on top with great thermals and laser range finder makes this vehicle point&click, so we dicide to move it by 1.0 BR.
Btw. That’s my proposition btw. Vidar at 8.0 BR is a monster which is sealclubbing whole 7.0-9.0 BR, tbh even 9.0 is low for this vehicle, but that would be a good start.
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Source = their own internal statistics
So let’s public them.
Gaijin says thunderskill is not reliable source so let why they don’t let us see their own statistics then.
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Soo Are 2S6 gonna be 11.0 too like Type 81 because 2S6 Have radar and 32G missile ??
They don’t need to.
J6K1’s RB is too high. It does not have an excellent engine like the Spitfire MK22 and MK24. Moreover, consider the performance of the Spitfire at 7.0. It’s hard for the J6K1 to do better. Therefore, the J6K1 should rightly remain at 6.3.
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I’m not satisfied with the changes. Moving France’s lineup from 7.3 to 7.7 was I think a very good decision, but moving it from 7.7 to 8.0 is not really a very wise idea in my opinion.
Also could you please consider moving KF41 Lynx from 10.7 to 10.3? It is just simply not strong enough compared to other vehicles in that BR.
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So don’t use it as an argument. Also what’s the problem to public this?
It’s like using sources in bug report without uploading them aka “trust me bro” xd
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