Not original US version, but foreign users added wiring for more missiles into their.
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Ah yes, the AMX13 (FL11) deserves to be two BR brackets over the M24.
The FL11 only had less gun depression, two less crew, slower reverse, headlights are deadzones where the barrel cant aim forcing you to go up and over or jerk your tank around to aim properly, no stab, gun rocks back and forth like a rocking chair when you come to a halt, less ammo, no .50 cal, only 4 smokes fired in twos, so basically only two smoke deployments.
But yes, 4.3 is totally fair for that thing and the M24 gets to stay at 3.7, totally justifiable, brilliant.
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If your gonna move the AGS to the 11.0 range just give it m900 at that point and make it 11.3/11.7
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The Mirage 2000C-S5 is moving from 11.7-12.0 in both RB and SB but the Mirage 2000C-S4 (from the latest event) isnt moving anywhere.
Is this just an oversight/missed because its brand new, or is it staying put for a spell?
(Kinda hoping it stays put, looks fun at 11.7 with the new brackets, but looks nearly identical to the C-S5)
Why is the T20 being nerfed again? I’ve never noticed them being a problem. Also please spare the baguette launchers they were fine!
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Are you kidding me? The worst current 11.0 missile configurations are the 4PL5B, a longer range 30G rear aspect locked missile, and the 4R60M, a shorter range 30G all aspects locked missile. The AIM9J is a 20G rear aspect locked missile with a range close to that of the R60. 2 AIM9Js in 11.0 was not an acceptable weapon configuration.
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not like current F-5E is the US version anyway
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French tank changes make no sense, nor does the T95. FL11 was already laughably worse than the AMX-13-M24 and the M24, of which it shares its similarities and was already a higher BR than. J6K1 at 6.7 is excessive, it’s flight performance is not worthy of that bracket and it only sat so high because (a certain nations players) can’t figure out how to avoid head-ons, just like the similarly overtiered J7W1.
The French 7.7 - 8.0 changes are ridiculous, 3 of the 4 are premium and players are most likely to only have one or the other, rendering them without any meaningful line-up, nor are any of these tanks ready to even face 9.0, they already suffer massively against 8.7, whereas no 6.7 has trouble penning them.
I would have liked to have seen changes to more standout vehicles on the matter of balance: The Turm III, XP-50 and Wyvern are far more blatant in their overperformance.
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Thanks for ruining 7.7 French. Think I’ll stop playing now actually and find a game with devs who make better choices with their development
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Please just let Japan have it’s moments man I suffer so much as a Japanese main😭😭😭😭
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IMO Stona, A7K at 11.0 is a horrendous joke. It’s subsonic, most games I get airborne and the game ends before I hit a base. It needs to be dropped, it needs to match the AMX which also gets AIM9Ls, not be at 11.0 because when the uptier hits it is unplayable
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If the BR of Type 81 is to be increased, please do something about the behavior of the missiles dropping down immediately after firing.
In my opinion, these changes are again a step back except for the decompression.
Now in the following block I am gonna be a nerd, but I really want to know the reason why some stuff is getting absolutely shafted.
Ground
Moving up the T20 up to 6.3 is pretty unreasonable. The only thing it has going for it is speed. And that isn’t worth an uptier. If it doesn’t already it will face Tiger II (H) basiclly every match, which without APCR it can’t pen the turretface of, while Tiger II’s can go through everywhere. And that is just one example.
Moving the T95 up to 7.3 is basicly killing it. From 7.0 to 8.0 there are a few vehicles that can pen it frontally. But putting it at 7.3-8.3 its facing a few much used (stabilized) APFS-DS slingers (T0-55, T-55, M48A2 etc.).
Now the French are getting completely shafted if these changes go through.
AMX-13 DCA, TPK 6.41 and AMX-10P are all getting moved up, leaving France for no their either 3.7 or 4.3 line-ups. This is a minor issue, though it is one. (Which I quite don’t get, weren’t like two 5.3 SPAA added to fill the SPAA and now there is a new small area without usefull SPAA)
The AMX-50 (TO90/930), Somua SM, EBR (1963) and Char 25t are all getting moved up to 8.0, which makes for a good line-up, but that line-up is fair and balanced at it’s current BR of 7.7.
None of these vehicles is overpowered at 7.7. I would rather say, that it’s the BR where they are most balanced at. They can’t pen everything, most heavy armored vehicles can’t be penned or need accurate aiming for weakspots and accept for the Somua they aren’t hard to kill (Somua being a heavy tank).
Now I will assume that the AMX-50 (TO90/930) and Char 25t are getting moved up because they are APHE (APCBC) slingers, otherwise I can’t understand why they are getting moved up, but not the Lorraine 40t or AMX-50 (TOA100) or AMX-50.
Moving those vehicles up to 8.0 will make them face mostly (stabilized) APFS-DS slingers which is not gonna be fun. Stuff like the TO-55, T-55, Turm III, T-55AM-1, PT-76-57 are around the same BR as the Somua and face it on a regular basis. All of those vehicles are stabilized, have APDS or APFS-DS.
I have no idea why France needs to be having those BR changes. It isn’t balancing it, it’s more like feeding them to the wolves? Like competent players will still perform fine but this doesn’t make any sense to me, nor does it to many other experienced players that I asked (THC/RO6/Krieg members with over 100 days played in tanks).
The TCM AGS doesn’t belong at 11.0, even with M833. Like, the IPM1 would be the exact same thing, but as a MBT. 5.0 second reload (Aced, but even with expert 5.3), good mobility, thermals, but you get M900 instead of M833. The payoff would is worse survivability. But giving the AGS M833 is no reason to move it up to 11.0 where it will face every top tier MBT on a regular basis. (M833 has about 400mm of pen, rouded up, and it will fight T-90M, 2A7V’s, BVM’s, etc. with it).
Now the Strela and Type 81 (C), they both need to be the same BR if anything. The Strela is just as good. Yes, the Strela’s missiles pull 15G less, but that doesn’t matter. If the Strela just gets a decent launch off at you, you are dead. The Strela can be flared off, but it is extremly difficult.
I did a test with someone using the Strela and me flying the JAS-39 just to see how flare resistent those missiles are. And firing about 80 large caliber flares in a 2 second intervall, with afterburner off and evasive maneuvers didn’t help (this test wasn’t to see if you could dodge it, but if you could flare it for people that are gonna be saying that you can dodge it).
So the Strela is fine to sit at atleast 10.3 and should be the same BR as the Type 81. There is not a single reason why the Type 81 (C) should be higher. Those 15G in the missiles are no reason to put it higher since they perform just as good.
Air
(won’t judge the prop changes since I haven’t flown a lot of them in quite a time)
The F-5E getting moved up to 11.0 isn’t necessary. Yes it is very good at 11.7, but at 12.0 again it still faces F-16’s, Mirage 2K’s which is the reason why it was moved down. I don’t get why the step is taken back and it being moved up again. It excels in flight performance and by fighting 4th gen planes that advantage is basically taken away.
The Mirage 2000C-S5 is getting moved up 12.0, but not the C-S4 even though it’s pretty much a 1x1 copy of the C-S5 but with less flares. But as far I heard you can single drop and have the exact same amount of flares, so why is only the TT variant getting moved up? (we know why $).
The F-15’s not being moved up to 12.7 is just wrong. Why is it not being moved up, when the 2000C-S5 is and every other 12.3 jet. Yes, the F-15 is the worst of the new 4th gens, but it’s not bad by any means.
It shouldn’t fight 11.3 jets, so it also needs to go.
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Wow, I am a nerd.
But summarized thse changes are pretty bad.
I am not someone who believes in real Russian bias, but seeing that the Strela is only getting moved up .3 of a BR while the Type 81 (C) is getting moved up an entire BR is something that I would say are some Russian prefered balancing decisions.
The decompression is pretty nice, also for Sim, but the ground changes need to be reworked in my opinion.
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I’m curious who thought it was ok for the Hs 129B-3 to be allowed to shoot at reserve tanks by moving it to 2.0
Germany’s gun CAS is strong at pretty much all BRs, did it really need to also get the ability to bully completely new players?
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Are you serious about T20 going up to 6.3??
It is vastly inferior to T25 in everything except for having stabilizer.
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This right here. It keeps getting said over and over.
It could be the flare count, but it could also just be because its really new, and these changes were written before it was ofifically added to the game, we’ll see if that changes or not.
Leave the AGS where it is, it will never belong in 11.0 as its just barely better than the M1128 so not even M833 will help it perform, it will just become another dead unplayable vehicle.
Furthermore for the love of god leave the 7.7 French tanks where they are, I hate the French as much as anyone but this is straight up bullying.
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Im conflicted.
As a Brit, we are required to make sure France suffers.
but on the other hand, seeing minor nations get screwed doesnt sit right.
I hope they ease up a bit on france.
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What about F4EJ? they should be go down to 10.7 and remove AIM7 that they cannot use.