What was the reason to move most french 7.7s to 8.0?? They already struggle to compete in uptiers due to their shells a t-55/54 completely takes an amx 50 out of the match unless he hits a very small weakspot. ???
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doesn’t matter thought it’s about the r3
American T20. Flat sherman
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All of these tank BR changes are insane
Why is the 25t, Somua SM, and AMX-50 going to 8.0
They were barely holding on at 7.7
And were ~7.0 when I first tried them
There was no reason to uptier them even then as the only thing carrying them was the autoloader
12.7 addition for planes is a good thing
And for naval consider moving all of the non-6.3 BBs out of the range of 6.0-6.3
Those CLs and CAs are almost unplayable due to how many top tier and 6.7 BBs you see spammed on these dogshit maps
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ah my mistake thanks
J-7E REALLY should go up to 11.3. The fact it sits at 11.0 despite being an equal contender to the F-14A and MiG-23 MLD after all this time is criminal tbh
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Why did Ground RB barely touch those Cold War MBTs that were so bad that no one played them, and didn’t continue to move up the ground top to 12.0 or higher?
The T-20 should not continue to be targeted and rise to 6.3, which is clearly very unreasonable
Type 81 C is a full 1.0 and Strela is only 0.3? Russian bias right?
And, again, another example of a Gaijin employee who never plays a game they make themselves: lack of stabilizer, lack of APCBC, manual loading, EBR (1963); Lack of stabilizers, lack of heatfs, slower char 25t; There is a stabilizer, there is APCBC and HEATFS, and the OBJ906 with a speed of 74MK. All of them are 8.0. Bror, Gaijin really hated the French tank
Here’s my opinion on the ground RB
America:
T95E1
8.3→8.0
Lack of stabilizers, no rangefinder, 11.1-9.7 loading, 14.5hp/t, and the damage of APFSDS is also very poor, it was originally a very poor tank in 8.0 and should not be put in 8.3. Unless the reload time of its 90mm gun is changed to a faster 6.5-5 seconds
Britain:
Chieftain MK3
8.7→8.3
The Chieftain Mk3 of 8.7 is almost a mess, the terrible HP / t of 12.1, the hull that can be penetrated by the T-34/85, the 9.7-7.5 is loaded with a round of L15A3, it should only be in the same position as the T-55A, M60AOS
Chieftain MK5
Add a laser rangefinder
It’s pretty much just a little bit faster than the MK3, and adding a laser rangefinder to it is a reasonable balance
USSR:
T-62
8.7→8.3
It is almost a T-55A, completely inferior to the Magach 6R/B, Strv 104 at 8.7
Strela-10m2
9.3→10.0
The strela is an excellent SPAA, with a 20g overload that can destroy almost all mid- and close-range jets, and the addition of photocontrast mode allows it to further kill aircraft that are using precision-guided weapons at long range, as well as helicopters at medium range. Its only drawback is the lack of a search radar, but with the addition of the “Air Raid Alert” button, seeking enemies is no longer a problem, especially considering that the current version has added a lot of cloudy weather, which forces planes to fly to lower altitudes to search for targets, making them easier to spot and shoot down. At the moment, it is even much stronger than Roland and Striker at 10.3
Japan:
Type 87 RCV(P)
7.7→7.3
It doesn’t have too many advantages over the BTR-80A and the Wiesel 1A4, the BTR80A has a better cannon, the Wiesel has excellent thermal imaging and a body shape that can hide behind any bushes, and the RCV(P) has a stabilizer
China:
PLZ83
6.3→6.0
The current please 83 is a worse Chinese version of the 2s3m, add better HE shells to it, otherwise it will drop to 6.0. Community Bug Reporting System
M60A3 TTS
9.0→8.7
Add the same M774 round as the American M60A3 TTS, otherwise put it to 8.7. At the moment it is an even worse M60A3 TTS, but at the same BR
T-69IIG
9.0→8.7
The current 69IIG is a crappy MBT, poor maneuverability and protection, and is inferior to the ztz-88 in all respects, except for firepower
PGZ-04A
9.3→9.0
With the current hn-6 as the worst anti-aircraft missile in the game and Gaijin is reluctant to fix it, the pgz04a should be lowered to a lower BR
Italy:
Leopard 40/70
5.0→7.3, with VT-HE shell
It is clear that the appearance of such a Cold War vehicle in 5.0 is unreasonable, and the addition of VT-HE would be a good fit to fill the gap in the lack of available anti-aircraft vehicles in Italy 5.7-8.3
KF41
10.7→10.3
Everyone who has played the KF41 will think so, the 10.7 KF41 is definitely a bad vehicle
France:
EBR(1954)
Add PCOT-51P, As you said in one of the previous BR changes, upgrade to a higher BR and add new ammo
Israel:
Merkava 2d
9.7→9.3
Compared to Merkava 2B, Merkava 2D just has a few more additional armor and should not be at 9.7. Reduced to 9.3 or 9.7 to add M426 shells
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Don’t forget the 2S6 at 10.7 with 10km, 910 m/s, 32G missiles and 30mm guns + good radar.
The FlaRakPz has 8km, 575m/s, 20G missiles and no guns + meh radar at 10.3
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Personally i think 12.7 for air rb is still to low, but its a good progress. As a addition i would love to see some help for flareless planes at 9.0 to 9.7. These all aspect missles from the A-10’s, SU-25’s, Sea Harriers and AMX-10 are for their Br to low. It is a frustrating experience to face them you can’t counter them. (In my opinion missile kills shoud be a consequence of a lack of awarness and not because you can’t counter them) My proposal for them would be to move them up to 10.7 and give them in exchange an airspawn. Ideally the location of the airspawn should be in such way that these attackers reach the middle of the map at the same time as the rest of the team.
Second addition would be to reduce the G91YS to 9.3 i dont see why the YS is so much better than the G91Y that it warrants its 0.3 increase.
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Why is the MiG-29G not going to 12.7, even though it is better than the SMT which is going up to 12.7?
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Perhaps they forgot to add it to the sheet? From what I’ve seen the F-15A is just as capable as the F-16C which is also moving up to 12.7.
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I’m a German air player and its weird for the Soviet stuff too. F-15 haven’t gone up but the Barak 2 has. Mig-29SMT is going up but not the better Mig-29G (self sabotage I know).
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F-16C is.
But yeah, Mig-29G isnt that is wierd
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A-10 early 10.0>10.3 it has no business seeing 9.0s which can’t defend. It’s able to turn on a dime and has more than enough ammo to win battles.
A-10 Late 10.3>10.7 same as above but with 2 more AAMs.
A6E to 10.7 instead of 10.3. Pretty much same as above except it can absolutely dominate a ground battle and sit far above SPAA range.
G.91Y 9.3>9.0
no flares, no AAMs. It has ok flight performance for its BR but that’s all it has. The thing is food.
G.91YS 9.7>9.3
same as above but it gets 2 aim-9bs.
F-104A/C 9.3>9.7
the thing is faster then anything it can see and at 9.3 it avoids a lot of the jets that can actually deal with it.
All changes are for RB
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No A2G potential. Maybe this
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Some deserved upward movement for Russian Naval 5.0, but once again completely avoiding the stranglehold they have at 4.3 with the SKR/Pe-8 combo that’s capable of decimating in Arcade.
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Some of these changes are really bad ideas. I’ll only talk about RB as I don’t play arcade.
The P-51s and especially the F4U-4 are already strong at their respective BRs (in RB). They do not deserve to be downtiered at all.
It is a shame to see the T20 go up. At 6.0 it doesn’t have functional armor and it’s too slow to be a flanker. It is a really got equivalent to the Panther A/F in the german tree.
The AMX-50 TO90, Char 25t and Somua SM do not deserve 8.0 either (in RB). They are not equivalent to vehicles like the TO-55 or Turm III. The 90 mm already requires very good shot placement against the vehicles they face at 7.7.
The T95 has the same frontal armor layout as the T28. Why do they deserve a 1.0 BR difference (after these changes)? The T95 is already an extremely situational vehicle, uptiering it to further negate its armor is a shame.
I don’t understand why pure SPAAs like the TPK 6.41 and arguably the AMX-10P are moved up. They are effective, yes, but not more effective than, say, the R3 T20 or Ostwind II. With how many people are complaining about CAS leaving strong SPAA options seems desireable, especially if they can’t double as tank destroyers like the AMX-13 DCA40.
Top tier jets moving up to 12.7 is most welcome, and the TAN SAM going up is great too.
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America feels that pain for low tier aa. 2.7 with 4 .50 calls, then 4.0/4.3 bofor tanks where its only really good with high stat crew, with low rpm killing it…
ALL the way down to 7.7… 9 tiers of BR have nothing to get improved, to just only get a passive radar m163. then 7.7 to 9.0 nothing the m247 being ok at best.
there is ALOT of tanks they could add but nah that require two ounces of them caring
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Yea scratch that I saw it.
I just checked the sheet and it very much is moving to 12.7