yes, I am still grinding the Italian ADV but looking forward to it!
Its been stuck fighting Mig-29s and F-16s since it was added. Its a great aircraft but useless vs the 12+. Its actaully going to be really fun. Currently, just no point taking it over the F-16 or Gripen C once you get them.
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I have the ADV but I really don’t want to play it, until these BR changes now it might be useful.
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Half of the missile load being AIM-7s is a shit diceroll like most (Non-R27) are behaving like rn
And a lot of planes that have the issue at least have the opportunity to carry more IR missiles
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I’ve stopped playing jets and switched to naval since its such an utter crapshoot
You’re stuck relying on non-HMD AIM-9Ms which are alright but not HMD thrown nearly behind yourself R-73s like on the Su-27
I’d match it with the Flanker in maneuverability though because they both can behave like fat shits and have the same random wingrip issue
British RB Ground BR’s:
- A1E1 Independent: 1.3 down to 1.0. Terrible armour for a heavy tank, worse than many nations light tanks even at 1.0. Terrible mobility. Massive target. 3-Pdr gun isn’t a redeeming factor either, it’s not the worst gun in the game, but due to all the other factors combined it’s made much worse. It has no redeeming qualities.
- SARC IVa: 1.3 down to 1.0. It’s fast, and that’s kind of it. If you compare it to the Daimler it shares a BR with, it loses in almost every respect. Worse armour, no shoulder stabiliser, gun is incredibly bouncy and kicks like a mule after firing, worse gun elevation and depression angles, and it’s open-topped.
- Churchill Mk I: 3.3 down to 3.0. The 2-Pdr is horrendous at this point, mainly due to the lack of mobility to flank. Even taking it in downtiers it struggles to penetrate Pz IV F2’s with add-on track armour, Pz III M’s, M4A1’s, etc.
- AC I: 3.0 down to 2.7. It plays exactly like a faster Valentine Mk I, the armour is good but not amazing. Like the Churchill, the 2-Pdr really begins to struggle around this BR. The Churchill Mk I dropping to 3.0 should be the highest BR vehicle armed with a 2-Pdr.
- Crusader AA Mk II: 4.0 down to 3.7. I don’t understand why this vehicle even went up previously. Just compare it to the Wirbelwind. Far less rate-of-fire per gun and half the guns. Lacks HVAP to combat enemy tanks. The only advantage the Crusader AA Mk. II has is an enclosed turret and more mobility. Even saying that though, the Wirbelwind has a far better protected hull and has similar top speeds. The Crusader AA Mk II just has an easier time hitting that top speed. The 2 were very asymmetrically balanced.
- Churchill Mk III: 4.0 down to 3.7. Less mobility than the Churchill Mk I, same hull armour, and worse turret armour (only 3.5 inches compared to 4 inches). The gun is better, but that’s it. It’s also the same gun that’s on the AEC Mk II at 3.0.
- Churchill NA75: 4.3 down to 4.0. It’s more of a side-grade over the Churchill Mk III, not a direct upgrade. You lose the good rate-of-fire, lose the shoulder stabiliser, and lose a decent amount of penetration for a better damaging shell. That’s the only difference, the shell is good but if the Churchill Mk III goes down then the NA75 should as well.
- Comet: 5.3 down to 5.0. It’s really a shadow of its former self. The A30 Challenger is a better vehicle in almost everyway. Just compare it to the VK 3002 (M).
- AC IV: 5.3 down to 5.0. It’s just a slightly better Firefly. Again, just compare it to the VK 3002 (M).
- Skink: 5.3 down to 4.7. Just like the Crusader AA Mk II really don’t understand why it keeps going up. Again, just compare it to the Wirbelwind, you still have less firepower and penetration but now have the double the guns of the Crusader AA Mk II, and now the same amount of guns as the Whirbelwind. Is that really worth a BR increase of 1.3 currently (4.0 to 5.3)? If you want a 5.3 Skink, then you should consider adding the welded version with the 4 20mm Hispanos.
- Tortoise: 6.7 down to 6.3. Just compare it to the T28, they’re very similar vehicles except the Tortoise is covered in weakspots, lacks APHE, and just as slow.
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A10 should have been 11.0 in the first place.
Hunter with flares and AIM9J is not fair at 9.7, sorry.
Subsonics without flares should not suffer because one plane might not be as good at 10.0. I´d even say 10.0 is too low.
You have to look at it in a broader scale, I want the entire rank V-VIII to decompress to minimum of 13.7.
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MH-60L DAP:
11.3 → 11.0 (RB)
It’s worse than AH-64As and AH-1Z since it has to trade 4 hellfires for each pair of stingers. While the AH-64A can carry 16 hellfires + 4 stingers + 30mm chin-mounted gun at the same BR of 11.3. The AH-1Z can carry 16 hellfires + 2 AIM-9M + 20mm chin-mounted gun also at the same BR of 11.3. Not to even mention the worse flight performance of the mh-60 compared to the AH-64s/AH-1Z.
Even the AH-64DJP is at 11.0 with 16 AGM-114K + 4 stingers + 30mm. I don’t see why the MH-60L can’t be at that same 11.0 BR given that it has a smaller payload.
Furthermore, now the US has 3 11.3 helicopters (4/5 including premiums) while a single squadron heli at 11.0. So why not move the MH-60L down to 11.0 so it can be a good alternative to the YAH-64. It would also compliment the 11.0 lineup and not be overshadowed by the more capable Apaches as it currently is at 11.3.
If the variant of hellfire matters so much then I would even support downgrading from AGM-114K to AGM-114B to justify a 11.0 BR.
Side note:
As others have also said, AGS should get M900 if going to 11.0. A 105 main round with <400mm of pen facing top tier is a joke.
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Good change for planes, but you still forget some of them. For instance, G91YS. 9.7, subsonic and without flares. With S25/A10 spam you can’t be close to them (all aspect kills you anyway) and the rest got 20+G missiles, while having no flares and beeing one of the slowest in the team. The Squadron hunter is same BR, with flares and better missile. G91YS is an exemple of a plane that cannot do much in the compressed 9.0 to 10.0 BR.
For tanks, I don’t understand the change for french 7.7 to go higher. I mean, you have APCBC, and it is already hard to kill, because of Heavy armor of some opponent (russia mainly) at 7.7, now you will face tank you basically can’t pen (some early composite armor too). Moreover, no Laser range finder to compensate the lack of penetration, and shitty optics too. And Why 1/3 of the vehicule increasing BR is France alone ? A minor nation ?
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When Tank only ground realistic ?
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For starters i completly overlooked that last sentence in previous post. Double rack for R-60s would easily warrant 10.0 BR and it wouldnt be ahistorical, as Lešany Air Museum confirmed that SPS-K could in fact carry those doubleracks, and im in process of accquiring documentation for it.
SPS-K has same speed, climb rate and thrust to weight as Mig-21PFM which sits at 9.3. It has much better missiles, ability to carry CMs and RWR, but since its rear aspect only and cant detect tracking, it might as well not be there at all.
F-104A/C at 9.3 have much better trust to weight ratio, climb rate, and there is a 200kmh difference in speed treshold for wing rip.
Mig21S has better climb rate, thrust to weight, same cannon but no R-60s or countermeasures, and sits at 9.7.
Any plane that can be boom n zoomed by SPS-K can be boom n zoomed by 21PFM, 21S and F-104A/C.
Any plane that can be shot down by SPS-K using R-3R can be shot down by Mig-21S.
Argument can be made for R-60s and R-13M1s but those are rear aspect, and as it was estabilished SPS-K is a delta wing AND it has weak engine. Getting into position to fire them is tricky (but not impossible) because SPS-K has to keep its speed, this is especially the case with R-60s as they have extremely shitty range against fast moving targets. R-60s easily miss when launched from a bad position where SPS-K isnt figuratively sniffing the ass of the target aircraft, which more often than not puts SPS-K into vulnerable position and yet once again almost forces it to carry CM pod.
Many 9.3 planes will absolutely demolish SPS-K (Mig-19 comes to mind instantly). Many more 10.3 planes will absolutely demolish SPS-K too.
Moved to 10.0 (where it was up until very recently, at least during may 23 when i got it to grind mig29), with only 2 rear aspect missiles and almost being forced to carry CM pod it is simply a bad plane.
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What its the slowest thing at 10 and you want 11 that is downside almost anything can out turn it
Why T 80 U (sweden) br 11.0 in RANK VIII meanwhile T-80UK br 11.3 in rank VII and M1A1 AIM br 11.3 rank VII ?
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as the Swedish one doesn’t have 3BM46
Japan once again getting sent to the shadow realm BR-wise for having good tools against bad play- I mean Big Three mains…
Tan-Sam should stay where it is, to help keep ground RB to its name.
A6M5 to 5.3… Really ? REALLY?
Type 99 to 7.3… Not really THAT bad, given there’s not really a 7.0 lineup in the first place, but COULD YOU PLEASE AT LEAST MOVE THE TYPE 87 RCV (PROTOTYPE) DOWN TO 7.3 WHILE YOU’RE AT IT?! THAT THING DOESN’T DESERVE 7.7.
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Yak-141 should go up to 12.7 and should get R-73
Why are French mediocre penetration autoloaders being pushed up and up in BR in Arcade? This is becoming beyond ridiculous.
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Why is the T95 going up to 7.3? No way is it worth 7.3, especially when the T28 (The same exact thing, minus the outermost set, which barely does anything outside of armor) is at 6.3
If anything, it should go to 6.7. The only reason I don’t say 6.3 is because the Outer tracks only make the neutral steering slightly better, and can create an armor black hole, akin to the Panthers mantlet. Not to mention it’s still extremely slow, prone to being CAS’d, and prone to track and barrel torture. It can stay in 7.0 for Arcade, sure, that’s fine, but in RB it needs to at least drop to 6.7, not go up to 7.3. There’s nothing to really support moving it to 7.3 (250mm of pen doesn’t really matter when the angle performance sucks) aside from players who aren’t smart enough to either:
A: Shoot the cupola
B: Break the tracks and/or barrel, then flank it
Or C: Wait on it to fire, then attempt to rush it down.
And that is just a skill issue, the exception being for 1 if it has bushes on.
Also the T32E1 could stand to drop a bit, perhaps to 7.3, as the long 90 just isn’t well suited for 7.7, and that is the only thing aside from armor it has going for it. If APCR worked as it should, I wouldn’t include this, but here we are.
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It should stay at 7.0, Jagdtiger should be pushed up there as well, and Ho-Ri Prod. should also be put there. All three have tradeoffs gun-and-armor-wise, Ho-Ri being the fastest with the middling gun and T95 having a great gun and armor but being the slowest while JT is in middle.
No no You need see rank VIII T 80 U (Sweden), i know T 80 U br 11.0 as the Swedish one doesn’t have 3BM46, but why T 80 U (rank VIII)
Ozelot should go to 9.3, like all the other IR SAM-Systems from other nations (Chapperal, Typ 93, PGZ04A, SANTAL, Machbet)
Strela-10 to 9.7 is a good change.
Edit: And Kugelblitz to 6.7
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