Planned Battle Rating changes for January 2024

All the proposed changes are referred to RB:
Sagittario 9.0 → 9.0
Shouldn’t move at all. Especially considering what’s above it.

KF-41 10.7->10.3
Poor armor, poor gun performance and lackluster missile and amount of them.

Ariete(both WAR and PSO) 11.3->10.7
Time to face it, the tanks is just bad.
Remove the DM53, give it back the CL3143 and keep it at a decent BR.

Ariete AMV 11.7->11.0/3
Still a bad tank but slightly better.

These changes should be now possible thanks to the prospect of the Hungarian Leo2A7 taking the place at top tier until the Centauro 2 and the Leopard 2A8IT show up.

OTOMATIC 11.3->10.3
Everyone agrees on it, limited APFSDS count, enormous dimensions, limited engagement range, relatively slow RoF(compared to similar cannons), ammunition replenishment of the carousel is embarassing for how long it takes.
While at 10.3 you can find the way more reliable Flarak platforms, at 10.7 you can find the 2S6.
To top it all, at 10.0 we can find the 2S38 that is almost identical to the Otomatic except for the radar feature but on the other side it has:
more ammo, a smaller size, faster reload both of the gun and ammo carousel and, to top it all, no limitation on how many APFSDS rounds it can carry.

TCM AGS 10.3->11.3:
Everyone hates it but at least give it a round that can compete. Add the M900 to it.

J-8B and J-7E: Add the PL-5C
Maybe move them to 11.3 if needed.

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Yep. I can. Because the Mig-29 (both the 12 and 12.3) curb stomp 11s and 11.3s still. But do fine against 12s/12.3/12.7s

Moving the Mig-29 with R-60s up to 12.3, protects 11s from having to face R-27ERs, the most OP weapon system, in game. But doesnt put it at the same BR as the 12.7s.

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What is with Gaijin and M833? Just give it to all the tanks capable of firing it. It should be as common as DM33 at this point.

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Good changes overall for top tier Air RB, however I want to request a double take in looking at the changes for the French 7.7 vehicles with regards to the rest of the opponents. For example the Turm III is at 8.3 with a strong 105mm cannon and powerfull rounds, a stabilizer and very mobile, with the changes a tank like the Somua at 8.0 with only a regular solid shot AP and 4s autoloader is in no way shape or form a simple 0.3 BR difference from a Turm III, let alone the other nations vehicles.

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Good catch. We need that bracket! A good amount of premium grinders exist there. Every BR needs a chance to be top tier in the rotation.

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its the problem of toptier, should make 12.7 to 13.0 or even higher, but now only put the Mig29A to 12.7

Aml 90 at 7.7 , it’s fine in 7.3 and could even be lower , but whatever…
But char 25t and To90 at 8.0 ??? Wtf Gaijin ???
What I am gonna do with 200mm of pen against 9.0 vehicle with stab , apsfds and way more armor ??
It should be 7.7 or even 7.3 …

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Agreed, but until then, 12s to 12.3 and 12.3 to 12.7 would do wonders for for those at and around 11/11.3

French 7.7 → 8.0, making uptiers even more common and more impactful is a horrible change. Despite these tanks having decent mobility and firepower, the lack of things like stabilizers, rangefinders, APDS and HEATFS, and even shells like APHE(aside from CHAR & TO90), vs. tanks with most of not all of these components.

The CHAR25t and TO90/930 are victims of good statistics, and while are very strong vehicles on their own, a shell with barely more than 200mm of pen at 8.0 is gonna force a very passive and flank heavy play style. Imagine being in one of these and encountering an OBJ 279 LOL, just J out at that point.

edit: spelling mistake

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We’re going to be carefully reading your feedback on the planned Battle Rating changes, so please feel free to share your thoughts and any suggestions that you may have for them.

The br increase for top tier is nice, i think the F15 should join the lineup of top tier jets at 12.7.

A6M5 ko should not move up to 5.3 (RB) as it’s equivalent to the tech tree A6M5 with the only change being minor round increase in 20mm, neither performance is not good enough to face jets.

Wyvern should move up to 4.7 (RB).

P-51D-20/10/5 should stay at 4.3 (RB) as its performance is too good against 3.0/3.3/3.7 planes.

A-36 should stay at 3.0 (RB) instead of being lowered to face 1.7/2.0/2.3 planes more often.

P39 (N/Q, all countries) should be raised to 3.0 (RB) as performance is too high for 2.7.

Ju 288 C should be raised to 6.3 or 6.7 (AB/RB/SB) as its too effective of a bomber at 6.0 and outspeeds most fighter aircraft it faces with good defensive armament.

also of note:

AMX should be raised from 10.3 to 10.7 (AB/RB/SB)
A-10A (late) should be raised from 10.3 to 10.7 (AB/RB/SB)
A-10A should be raised to 10.3 (AB/RB) with SB battle rating staying the same
A-6E tram should be raised to 10.7 (AB/RB/SB)

all due to their offensive air and ground armament outclassing everything at the same BR and lower, being perfectly capable of using them in ground and air battles at a higher BR.

JH7A should stay at 11.3

A7D (SB) should be raised from 9.7 to 10.3.

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Move F-104A/C to 9.7! ffs

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I guess F-16C Block 50, JAS39A Gripen and MiG-29SMT (9-19) up to 12.7 BR for Air AB, Air RB & Air SB because gaijin may be implemented add active radar homing MRAAM the first major update or second major update

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I expect gaijin consider Python 4 replace AIM-9M sidewinder & AIM-7M Sparrow on F-16D Block 40 Barak II after expand to 12.7 the first major update

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Thought it was already 4.7

can’t agree more about raising wyvern S4 br. the only alternative is remove wyvern s4’s air spawn.

it’s 4.3 currently. otherwise I won’t complain about it so often

see wiki its 4.3 (AB/RB) and 5.3 (SB)

No, probably not, Its because at 12.3 they are destroying any and all 11.3s they encounter, probably will see early AMRAAM carriers like Sea Harrier at 12.3/12.7 and later AMRAAM carriers like F-15 at 13.0

Tornado MFG and IDS WTD 11.0 > 10.3 RB

They are performing horribly since their addition, in Air RB.
The Tornado MFG and the premium version of it should be moved down to 10.3 or 10.7. especially after you all nerfed the hell out of the TWO sorry-ass aim9Ls they carry .
The F-5C at 10.3 outperforms the German Tornados easily

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Thought it was 4.7. Fair enough. Id be happy with it at 4.7, I just dont want it 5.0 because britian has a lot of 4.7 destroyers

Changes for air sim look good overall. I’d suggest reducing the BR of the F-104.ASA in sim from 11.0 to 1.07 though. It’s weapons are decent, but it has no ability to dogfight, and since the RWR changes it also has little ability to defend itself from the radar missiles it faces, as it only gets notified of pings and no information on which direction the ping is coming from. Combined with the fact that both friendly and enemy radar will trigger it, this makes the RWR functionally useless. The new changes would leave it facing PD radar-guided missiles constantly, with no real way to defend itself.

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