Vehicle: S.O.4050 Vautour IIA
Gamemode: Air Realistic Battles
BR change: 9.0 → 8.7 (8.3)
Reason: Miserable in every way, Vautour IIA without any offensive and defensive armament is straight a way pointless plane to play and painful to grind through.
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it does indeed it appears I misread it, my apologies (sometimes my brain decides to read 2 words at once and combines them lol)
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XP-50 Should be 5.0 in Air RB. Since all twin engine fighters have airspawn in War Thunder i understand removing it, is not an option. XP-50 has sustained turn rate (21.5°/s at 40% fuel) higher than:
All Bf 109s Fs, Gs and K4,
all P-51s,
all F4Us,
all Fw 190s,
all Tempests,
all La 5s, 7, 9 and 11,
all I-185s,
J-21, A-21,
all Me-410, Mosquitos, Beaufighters,
all P-38s and more.
It’s faster at all altitudes (560kph at sl and 680kph at 8km), or has very similar top speeds as:
All Bf 109 Es, Fs, G2 and G6,
All P-38s except P-38K at 5.3 br.
All Fw 190 As , except A-8 ans F-8 being faster below 2km.
All La 5s, 7, 9 and 11 except La-7, 9 and 11 below 3km.
It has good armament, and excellent resposiveness to mouse aim. Combined with airspawn it’s much more powerful than most single and twin engine fighters up to 5.7 br.
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Well well well… good time to get the sholef v1 ITS FIXES AND RISE ITS BR HUMMMMMM???
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Air-RB, SU-39 , 11.7 → 11.3
There is absolutely no logic on placing this plane , able to carry 4 AA missiles including r73’s with IRCCM to the same BR as planes such as the AMX A1 (11.3 premium) which carries only 2 missiles , without IRCCM , and has equivalent to worse payload . Either you bring the AMX down to 11.0 or keep the SU at 11.7
Air RB, F-20A, 12.7 > 12.3
- Weaker than F-16 ADF&Co at 12.7.
- Weaker than MiG-21 Bison at 12.3.
- Weaker than F-16A at 12.3 in the Aim-9L config.
- You promised to stop balancing vehicles by their SL income.
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Antelope TC-1
RB
10.3 → 10.0
With the Israeli I-Chaparral moving down to 9.7, this vehicle probably can move down to 10.0 as well. The TC-1L missiles are superior to the MIM-72G, but the terrible platform and lack of a search radar still drags this vehicle down immensely.
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Same old rubbish. SPAA desperately need to counter CAS in GRB gets used for attacking other ground vehicles and is rated on that. It gets moved leaving the nation with no SPAA at ceratin BRs.
They keep doing it and can’t help themselves
Yeah, but most 12.0s aren’t equipped to fight the IRIAF either, and this plane at 13.0 wouldn’t be the only one that’s not capable of going head-to-head with 14.0s
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What are you talking about? The F-5C was grossly overmatched at 11.0. Are you seriously trying to suggest that its performance and guns alone qualify it to go up against something like the F-4S, MiG-23ML and Mirage F1C? Does it make sense that it was at the same BR as the F-5E with its significantly better engines and AIM-9Js? The F-5C nowhere close to being unkillable unless it faces a full downtier or faces incompetent players. It’s fine exactly where it is until the BRs are decompressed.
It at least has Fakours which are actually better than a few fox 3s if used well, that at least is something going for it, so yes
T-72A, T-72M1, ZTZ96
RB
9.3 → 9.7
This change has been overdue for sometime, especially as the various rounds of BR decompression have had their time to settle in. These tanks are clearly superior to several of the “upgraded” MBTs also found at 9.3 (e.g. CM11, Leopard 1A5) as well as some other contemporaries, such as MBT/KPz 70. All of these tanks wield incredible firepower (in 3BM42 and Type 85-1) that makes them fightable against the current 10.7 vehicles such as Leopard 2A4 or M1 Abrams, while also having some armor that can actually take a hit in return (unlike other 9.3 MBTs).
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The first thing I would do would be to raise the Br to at least 14 in GF. Then balance the tanks correctly, with the bullets with their realistic damage and give the tanks the bullets they historically used, once all this is done the tanks could be separated into the different Br without them being unbalanced games.
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What about T34? Or then T29 at higher BR? This has too many followup changes that would have to happen.
The namer is already nerfed enough considering its top speed is 33 which makes its fun useless because you can’t get to spots to actually use it, it’s arguably worse than the namer 30 as it has a easier to hit turret and less fun depression, also it still only has 1 belt of ammo that when hit makes the tank completely useless in other words it’s the worst light tank at any br especially at 11.0 where the kf41 is by far much better
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Chinese A-5C
10.7 → 10.3 ARB
The A-5C is kinda a victim of power creep. Yes, it was 100% busted at 10.0, but it is a 9.7 airframe (the Q-5L is the same flight model) that gets bumped a whole BR cause it has 2 decently good missiles. Magic 1s are great, but warranting an entire 1.0+ up for two is excessive.
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Su17M2 itself doesnt have CMs nor a good FM, if you support compression in some areas (downtiering f4c) at least be consistent
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Guys just make a poll and let’s downvote the crap patch till they rethink it.
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Then it needs its six Fakour-90s. Going up against 13.7s and 14.0s with just R-27R1s, rear aspect AIM-9Ps and only 60 countermeasures is crazy. The standoff ability that the Fakours give it will be its only real advantage.
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GRB JA37C 11.0-10.3.
Only A2G weapon is CCIP rocket pods, would be very helpful in CAP operations without any meaningful CAS addition. (Also if you could give a lookover of all swedish jets in GRB it would be nice)
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