You guys really saw the J7D taking over 10.7 matches and thought, yeah the MiG 21MF and SMT need to go down.
Why in gods name do the devs think 9.3s should be facing the MiG 21 MF pr SMT in any sort of way?
Move to top tier ceiling for gods sake and stop killing coldwar jets, its getting both old and extremely frustrating!
Id still argue they all need to be lowered if they arent willing to fix the fundemental issues affecting the CR2s. Even basic things like first stage ammo is 1/5 the size it should be.
Why these 2 with exact same ARB capabilities at different BRs?
Yep, im just C&Ping all the suggested changes from the last one that didnt pass :D
Air Realistic / Simulator battles, Mirage 2000D-R1, 12.3 > 12.0
This plane is very limited in its air to air armaments to justify being at 12.3. It doesn’t get a useful radar for finding air targets, doesn’t get in-built guns and the external gun pod is placed in an unusual location and affects performance, only two IR missiles.
Ideally, this plane should be at 12.0 while the Mirage-2000D RMV should be at 12.3 for its passive IFF capability.
arb.sb.AV-8B (NA),11.3 11.7(srb)> 11.0
reason: always dead by radar missile, only can do just farming ground
All modes, All Imp.Chaparral variants, Fix smokeless motors on MIM-72E and MIM-72G.
This issue was reported 7 months ago, and is not getting fixed even though it’s a very simple problem to fix.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/PW8tAm7AKXr7
Somua SM, GRB, 7.7 > 8.0.
Absolutely insane vehicle. 4s Reload, Amazing cannon, decently-good armor, decently-good mobility. For some reason AMX-50 TO90/930 and Char 25t are higher BR than this, btw?
Vehicle: F-5C
Gamemode: Air Realistic
BR Change: 10.7 ----> 11.0
Reason: It has an extremely good flight performance, well suited for ARB and due to the limitations with how the game models IR signatures. Is completely cold, achieving IR lock with any missile is hard work and it has CMs that will instanteously defeat any and all missile, include all IRCCM missiles whilst sat on full-reheat and it was a rear-aspect shot. There is no justification to lower its BR other than its Premium and Gaijin wants a pay-to-win aircraft for the US.
It is impossible to deal with in aircraft such as the Sea Harrier FRS1e at 10.7 let alone 9.7s that dont have CMs and are sub-sonic such as the Hunter. If its BR drops down ALL 9.7-10.7s need to drop down 0.3 BR as well so that they can actually be playable
(RB) Stormer AD 10.0 → 9.7
Compared to the Gepard 1A2 its only benefit is gen 1 thermals, which are not incredibly useful for radar aas to find their targets. The Gepard 1A2 has better mobility, way better turret rotations speeds, 4 ready to fire stingers compared to 2 on the Stormer, and it has way better guns and belts to engage ground targets.
Right now GB has 4 AAs between 10.0-10.3, moving this one down makes it a bit less ridiculous
I have played the PGZ09 a lot… it’s completely broken at 8.3. You can snipe planes and helicopters from 6km away.
Ralistic Air battles: Vautour: 9.0-8.3? or airspawn
I find it nice that the Vautour’s are going down in br id like them to do the same in Air RB as well, they are sitting at a 9.0 battlerating with no airspawn and generaly takes off slower than more or less enything else on the airfiled, outside the fact that its a subsonic bomber without afterburners it dosent have mutch going as it lacks manuvrebility and flares unlike some strike aircrafts that sits at lower br’s, one thing that can be done is give it airspawn to start with, i know there is a thread on the forums thats spesifically for the Vautour’s due to the issues it has
ZSL-92 6.7 → 7.3 ZSL-92 requires historical APDS ammunition chains and removes non historical AP ammunition chains
JH-7A 12.3 → 11.3 or adding the irccm missile (PL5EII) and 4x KH29 to its current BR , the lack of irccm missiles makes it unable to survive in a BR filled with irccm missiles due to its air-to-air capability
shenyang F-5 9.3 →9.0
VT-4A1 12.0 → 11.3 （it is s**t）
f104 G (china) (rb) 10.7 → 10.3
same performance as the japanese one exept it carries less missiles, therefore should be the same br as the f104J
I get that, but on the topic of the first Challenger 2 being lowered, that does not make that much sense, considering that the aforementioned OES/TES/2F modifications suffer more than the base one.
RB F16D Barack II 13.3>13.7 this change seems like a good idea as it would rival the mig29 SMT but because of how compressed toptier is the F16D coming down would over perform as yes it has the same amount of aam as the SMT its missiles out perform the Mig29 SMT’s while having the better AirFrame aswell what would make the F16D over perform and end up having its br reverted in a later patch.
Char 25t, GRB, 8.0 > 7.7
This tank doesn’t have any right being 8.0. Yes, it has 4s reload and good mobility - but the cannon is REALLY meh at this br. It doesn’t get HEATFS or Stabilizer, unlike ANOTHER CERTAIN VEHICLE AT 8.0 (cough cough, Obj.906)
CV 90 Mk4
GRB
10.7 → 10.3
It’s a worse Vilkas at the same BR. It’s only upsides over the Vilkas are carrying 2 more ATGMs and a smaller silhouette, whilst the Vilkas has a lot better mobility, IRST, more ammo, longer belts and an unmanned turret.
Vehicle: Javelin F.(A.W) Mk.9
Gamemode: Air Realistic & Air Sim
BR Change: ARB: 8.3 → 8.0 ASB: 8.7 → 8.0
Reason: The Javelin is easily one of, if not maybe the weakest aircraft at its respective BRs. It is slower than most, turns worse than most and its weapon systems are hard to use. After its recent nerfs in Firebirds update, it has only gotten worse and really needs to be moved down in Battle Rating
Mode: Air RB
Vehicle: A-5C
New Br: 10.7 → 10.3
Reasoning: A transonic attacker without the ability to fully bomb a base, with 18 flares and 2 above average AAMs is currently the same BR as the J-7D, a jet which does every single role better, even does more base damage with an optimised loadout.
And with jets like the J-35D and Mig-21SMT (which are both also superior in every metric) going down to 10.3, I believe the A-5C too should follow suit and be downtiered to 10.3.