MiG 21 Bison to be reduced from 12.3 to 12.0 in air realistic, given a lot of early irccm carriers is reduced
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Vehicle - HKP9A (FC)
Mode - GRB
BR - 9.7 → 9.3
No CMs, worse air frame then the gazelle, can only take 4 mid missiles for this BR (3.75km 329M/S compared to the the hinds which get 8 5km 550M/S), cant take any self defence AAMs
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Changes next to nothing if you move it to 9.7. This plane has been 9.3 far too long.
ig we’re just balancing all the 21’s around the j7’s now lmao
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YAY my F4C is back down to 10.0!
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Fuese bueno que al Kfir C10 le agregen la skin de la Fuerza Aerea Ecuatoriana ya que Ecuador tambien tiene el mismo Caza solo el nombre cambia a Kfir CE
You can’t be serious. You’re just spamming up tiers for all F-14s while only acknowledging their downsides.
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Well, id like to see how it changes, even a slight br bump can cause it to be stuck in 10.7 limbo hell forever
Ground RB. PZH-2000. 7.7 → 8.0.
It is absolutely rediculous to have this thing, with its rapid autoloader, spall lined body, and seemingly inpenitrable frontal areas appear in 6.7 downtiers. The fact it also gets a massive shell capable of taking down any giant slow prop planes also makes it unreasonable for 6.7 air defense. It should not be able to be anywhere near 6.7 games.
Im honestly astonished to not see it in this list already
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Kappa
SA.342M Gazelle must stay at 9.3 because only 4 slow missiles HOT with 4km range, without gun, and very fragile.
Look others helicopter in game, there are some MI24, KA29 with more fast 8 missiles 5km range and gun…
Please dont move SA.342M Gazelle to 9.7.
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Realistic M3 GMC 1.7.2.0 Its 75mm cannon with aphe is quite overpowered aginst most rank 1.0-2.0 tanks
Second this.
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Please stop adding subtree’s the there current way, it is horrible for the future of the Game. There is no balance in the Chinese tree containing both PRoC and the RoC, and both trees have sufficent vehicle to be there own trees.
I suggest having a globe on startup of War Thunder, similar to the old “World War” events - the player can select there country and then shows the tech tree. Some trees will have to be combinded, but China/Taiwan should be seperate!
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and my last suggestion:
Sakeen/S-199: ARB 3.3 > 2.7 - Compared to the 3.0 109E-4, it:
- is slightly slower (579 vs 580 kph)
- is less agile (G-6 airframe vs E airframe) (23.5 turn time vs 21 turn time)
- overheats MUCH faster (can’t really put a number on this but oil temp climbs into the red by the time you overfly the runway after takeoff in the sakeen)
- has much lower climb rate (9.3 vs 17.8)
However, it does have slightly better weaponry
Therefore, i believe it should be moved to 2.7, since it really doesn’t fit 3.3. Also, it might allow more people to play the Israeli tree, potentially helping balance the higher BRs thanks to having more player data.
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Ground Realistic
Hunter F1
9.0 → 8.7
I am making this as a similar suggestion, such that it will also cover for GRB, since the BR are divided between the modes.
At the same time, it does maybe even worse in GRB, since it doesn’t get any suspended armaments for ground attack, except its cannons.
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Interesting how everyone complaining about the IRIAF gets their way by moving it up, yet other aircraft people complain about NEVER seem to change, very interesting.
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Vehicle : MEPHISTO
Game mode : Ground RB
Br change : 8.7 -) 9.0
Reason : Give it it’s hot 3 missile and as such it would fit at the same br as the chineese aft09.
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Vehicle: AH Mk.1 Apache
Gamemode: Ground Realistic
BR Change: 12.0 —> 11.7
Reason: The AH Mk.1 Apache is an extremely weak helicopter for the BR. It lacks FnF Missiles and the ATGMs it does have very short range. Much shorter than ATGMs for other nations. Unlike the AH-64D on the US TT, it does not have IRCM which makes you extremely vulnerable to IR Missiles. Finally, its AAMs have an SP cost unlike all other Helis, which leaves you vulnerable to air attack if you are doing a minimal SP cost spawn and those AAMs are some of the weakest AAMs on a heli at that BR, leaving you very vulnerable to any CAP, especially those as strong as can be found at top tier currently.
Whilst lowering it to 11.7 wouldnt change a huge amount, it would enable it to be run in the 11.7 line-up and may see the occasional downtier.
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Air RB. JH7A. 12.3>11.7
jh7a gets only pl8 （which is between pl5c and pl5e2）and pl5c with no reason even higher than f4s which is better at both air fighting and zone bombing so do mig23ml ( 11.7 with better weapons and same-level craft). Or ud like to add pl5e2 or even pl8b as the realistic carry.
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