Ground RB, M51, 6.0>8.0
This thing gets the same round as the one on the French tanks at 9.3, 8.7, and 8.0 yet it is at 6.0 and you can spawn in it 3 times if you have a backup, if you have the premium one too you can spawn a whopping 6 times in this disgusting vehicle it completely ignores all armor at that tier, heck it even goes through the Maus like it has paper armor. Sure the m51 has like no armor and is relatively slow, but that doesnt matter all that much when the round is so insanely busted for its current tier even taking it into 9.3, 10.0 you are still able to shred the enemy team and do just fine without issues this needs to be adressed cause it has no right being 6.0 with 3-6 spawns.
BR 12.7 upwards is in dire need of further decompression. Most aircraft starting from BR 12.7 need to be adjusted upward by at least one, if not two, increments- including this one. It goes up alongside the Russian and German variants (per rules, see separate posts).
BR 12.7 upwards is in dire need of further decompression. Most aircraft starting from BR 12.7 need to be adjusted upward by at least one, if not two, increments- including this one. It goes up alongside the German and Italian variants (per rules, see separate posts).
However, they are some of the best rear aspect missiles in the game. I’d say it’s atleast on par or better than the Mig-21bis. The J-7E also has an incredibly good RWR which allows it to handle uptiers much better than other Mig-21s.
I don’t really think this is as bad as it seems. It’s mounted in a better spot than the MiGs Gsh-23s, and it’s not a bad gun in general.
Absolutely not. It’s a Sherman with poor post pen damage, easy to pen/one shot, and slow as well as lacking a stabilizer or .50 Cal (W gets one). It’s a 6.0-6.3 tank easily, and just because it can pen things easily (and sometimes get killed in relation because of the lackluster damage) doesn’t mean it should go up to face APFSDS. It’s fine and balanced where it’s at for the most past. Its a unique tank and its only gimmick is its high pen.
Mode: GRB
Vehicle: Otomatic
Suggestion: 11.3 → 10.7
Reason: it performs horribly against most things at top tier, and should not sit at a higher BR than the 2S6 or the Tor-M1 since both these vehicles are better suited to top tier than the Otomatic. Please do not keep it overtiered just to maintain the illusion that Italy has a top tier lineup.
it is not fine at 6.0 i am so sick of getting lol point and clicked by heat in tiger 2’s panthers etc anything with armor might as well not have it when 75% of the enemy teams just lol click on you and disable and kill you. Infact i was in my maus the other day and got 1 tap breached out of no where by a m51 infront of me they then proceeded to shoot me like 8 times and kill me I literally couldn’t do anything
An sherman with the tigers long 88mm would be a better tank than the M-51 currently is. All it has going for it is it’s high pen, it sucks at everything else.
the F14A is 12.7. the F14A IRAF is literally just a better F14A in reality and should be 13.0 with the F14B sure it might not have better flight performance but the fakour 90s make a MASSIVE difference. ive seen multiple cases where players have negative KDs in all their planes except for the IRAF. clearly that says something, so do yourself a favour and improve with other planes instead of relying on an OP missile
this game was so much better when it wasnt overrun by heat howitzers and everything inbetween making armor a joke, the game went downhill after they added more modern stuff in like 2017/18
J-11A 13.7->13.3
The worst radar, the most garbage RWR, almost one of the worst FOX3 and the fewest DL channels. J11A should not be at 13.7, this position should belong to the future J-11B. There is no doubt that the J-11A should go to 13.3.
Nah, the AIM7Ms have better turn, but when the target is below 60 meters below the ground the missile loses tracking, instead of the Aim7Fs if you still keep tracking the enemy the missile will not lose tracking as the AIM7Ms do at low altitude.
Air RB, J-11A. 13.7 > 13.3. If we are having things like the F-16D barak going down to 13.3 since it cannot compete with 13.7’s with its “worse” FM and “worse” missiles, why can’t the J-11A, which is basically just a normal J-11 with r77’s, go down to 13.3 as well? It lacks both in offence and in defence at 13.7, and probably suffers more than the F-16D, which at least can defend itself from missiles. In fact, I would say that in the environment right now, the R-27ER is a better missile than the R-77, especially at late game with not many enemies left, so why increase .7 Br for such a plane?
