Like any other platform with 9Ls, they are too easily countered, which lowers their quality. It’s not the missile that’s the problem, but the flares that are becoming more effective. Its battle rating shouldn’t be that different from other F-4s.
I feel the F-117 should get an air spawn in air rb since the BR is so low and same goes for payload
Mode: Air Simulator
Vehicle: Mig-27M/K
BR change: 11.7 → 11.0
Reasoning:
they have worse air to air ordinace than the Mig-23ML while sitting at a higher BR while also having slightly worse flight performance than the Mig-23s at 11.3, also they are 11.0 in Air RB
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imagine relying on your armor at 11.7 lmfao. the reload is absolutely a factor
When everything else HAS armor, it matters. And while the reload is a factor, it’s already offset by the worse shell, and is less of a factor than people make it out to be.
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Mode: Air Realistic Battles;
Vehicle: F-16A (All variants with AIM-120s)
BR change proposed: 13.7
Reasoning:
Other jets such as the Harrier benefit from having a low BR with Fox-3s as they have a bad performing Flight Performance. However, such isnt the case with the F-16As
The F-16A FM is considered among the most busted in the entire game, as they can be fast, have exceptional maneoubravility, and ridiculously high energy retention even at high AoAs. Making 12.3 planes face this aircraft is completely unfair, as the average Fox-1 in 12.3 is MILES inferior to the AMRAAM, not to mention of course the disadvantage of only having SAHRs. The F-16C is fine at 13.7, so should be this lighter, more nimble variants even if they have a worse radar.
Vehicle: F-15E
BR change proposed (Air RB): 14.3;
BR change proposed: (Ground RB): 13.0
Reasoning, Air RB:
The F-15E as of now is one of the fastest, more energetic planes in the game. It can climb extremely fast and launch missiles and both high altitude and speed without much complications, proper of a 14.3 in the new BR changes.
“But hey, it is more of a brick compared to other 14.3 airframes like the Typhoon!” Following that logic, the Su-30SM should be moved down to 14.0, which is absurd. The F-15E climbs faster, is way faster, and holds energy better than the Su-30SM, while having at least a decent radar. Theres no reason for it to be 14.0 when all other Top Tier jets are increasing BR.
Ground RB:
The F-15E is an extremely difficult aircraft to deal with in GRB. Given that it has a ton of suspended armament (Like GBU-39s) It can just spam them all at enemy SPAA and run to cover. It also has AIM-120s as self defence, which makes it very hard to deal with in an 11.7 aircraft such as a SARH only F-16 or even a MiG-29, being forced to mostly surprise attack them.
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Gun handling on Type 90’s is far worse than on Leo’s (i played with both, i know what i say)
Sights are off on those things, not like on Leo’s or Abrams
So NO… Type 90’s don’t deserve 11.7, if you say it from perspective of person who plays against them, then maybe they deserve, but playing with them is not that easy. Just because they have 4s reload it doesn’t mean they should go even higher.
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no it doesnt. sounds like a skill issue tbh lmao. learn to hit weakspots and the pen difference is negligible
Warthunder lied to me it was Arcade mode stats but it has more horse power compared to the standar 8.3 t-55 
Vs 
keep in mind there without mods so the diffirence will be bigger when spaded
It isn’t exactly the same but it’s close enough, For a tank in 8.7 it has comperable armor to a version of the same vehicle but 9.0 it has a better shell has a ATGM laucher it’s lighter by two tons if the T-55AMD can go in 9.0 so can it
How can you say that when the British F-4 and the MiG-23ML(D) are in 11.3, and the MiG-23M is in 11.0?
The F1C are effective against those, but they aren’t overpowered.
The R24T and R have no equivalent, and the F-4’s carrying capacity is unmatched.
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Why do you keep Nerfing Israeli vehicles like the Namer while the BMP-2M and 2S38 are left to stay where they are?
You keep saying that other vehicles outperform the 2S38, which is obvious; haven’t you learned the lesson that Premium players play worse than those who grinded their tech tree? Average Player Performance does not balance well with Premiums. We learned this with the WMA ages ago.
The CV9040 series is good, but it lacks much of what the 2S38 has. This disparity in balance is outrageous, and now the Mk.2D is going to be 10.3? How in the actual hell is that considered slightly inferior to the Leopard 2A4?
What is your aim here, Gaijin?
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Mode: Air Simulator Battles
Vehicle: Ju 288C
BR Change: 6.0 → 7.0
While being the size of a light or medium bomber, the Ju 288 has speed and acceleration comparable to fighters and maneuverability comparable to attackers. It also has a dangerous defensive armament and the payload capacity of a heavy bomber. Between these factors, they are largely immune to interception. For a bomber with similar speed, you have to go up to 7.0 for the B-29, one of the least maneuverable aircraft in the game. Being at the same BR as the B-29 (7.0) would still leave it as an effective bomber, while still having a speed differential with fighters that means it can’t simply force a low-closer tail chase that all but guarantees that the pursuing fighter is doomed.
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ARB F-4F (early) 10.7 > 10.0
It has effectively the same armament as the Mitsubishi F-1 (1 20mm Vulcan + 4 20G AIM-9s) and it does NOT have flares too. At 10.0 there would still be mostly missile you can not dodge, but at least there are less all-aspect ones.
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does not have TWS, as far as we know it does not get better IR missiles
The F-4F is a significantly better fighter than the F-1. The F-1 is slower, and bleeds speed incredibly quickly compared to the F-4.
no, it is significantly outperformed by every other 14.0 (besides F-18)
that I agree with
If you are going to up the BR of the AGS then at least give it a better shell. Honestly it will Suffer a bunch if nothing is added.
the PT-16’/T14 mod. should NOT be up BR’ed to 11.0 that will be horrible. it is good yes. But it is Super Light. literally no Armor it already gets shred to pieces by any auto cannon. Even AA’s. well especially AA’s. This would Kill it. especially there is nothing to Pair it with at 11.0.
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I won’t oppose the Sabra because it has the highest tank KD in the game, but the Mk.2D is ridiculous.
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Mode: ARB
Vehicle: F-15J(M)
The F-15Cs are no slouch even with the current 14.0s
The J(M) is better than both the Baz Meshupar and F-15C MSIP II, having not only a better missile kit (AAM-3s are much superior to AIM-9Ms, and the AAM-4 is superior to the AIM-120A in most situations)
Alongside this, the F-15J (M) is 600kg lighter than the other F-15Cs found in game.
I can see all 3 F-15Cs moving up to 14.0, but at the very least the J(M) should.
Since the ZSU-23-4M4 is getting a missile from 2004 (which, with your track record is prolly gonna have 15+Gs of pull and better IRCCM) its a good time for it to be moved up with the other IRCCM-laden SPAAs at 9.7+?
Or how about we ACTUALLY fix the Stingers btw? Or has the MoD still denied clearance to do that?
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