thanks for the information… at least something… it would be nice to see the same for PT-16/T14
Overall, I agree.
The F-86 and MiG-15/17 changes last year were an absolute abomination. That said, the statistics probably don’t show this (since a lot of unskilled players still flock to these planes), so I doubt they will go back up anytime soon. Since that is unlikely, I think it would be reasonable to send the FGA.6 to 7.7.
In a perfect world:
8.3: F-86A-5, MiG-15, CL-13 Mk.4
8.7: F-86F-25/30/35, MiG-15bis, MiG-15bis-ISH, MiG-17, CL-13A Mk.5
9.0: MiG-17PF, Lim-5P, MiG-17AS, F-86F-40, CL-13B Mk.6*
CL-13 Mk.6 may be 9.3 material, but it’s hard to say given how much compression there is from 9.3-10.3.
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I can’t remember a time they’ve done a BR round up and it’s been accurate and accepted, there’s always massive outliers which anyone playing for a week would know about.
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werent gaijin the one that said france needed a 10.7 tank and here we get the msc which is perfect for the rank as it has bad armour but makes up for it with its reload and its ammo why change its br to 11.0 and destroy france 10.7 lineup as the msc will most of the games be uptiered to 12.0 due to how many plays top tier
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I’m currently only like 15 RB kills from the SEA camo skin in the American F-100D as well!
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8.0 - 10.0 is just a compressed mess
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I don’t think so. They will be the strongest 13.3s in the game with the 9L as it is. They shouldn’t be at 13.3. They should be 13.7 with 9M and 120A/B
this but only if they also raise the various yaks and other underperforming 5.X planes
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it doesn’t even have HMD or TWS
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F-16D is 13.3 with Aim-9M and the F-16Cs at 13.7 do have much better kit.
It wouldnt be unreasonable
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Mode: Air Simulator Battles
Vehicle: Mirage F1C (all versions)
BR Change: 11.7 → 12.0
Reasoning: While its avionics are broadly worse than many aircraft at the BR (mainly US-build aircraft), its radar is an upgrade over just about everything thanks to having MTI and while the R530F is easily flared, it does not give a launch warning on any RWR and is still a very high-performance missile. Additionally, the Magic 2s are far beyond any other IR missile it can face and can often mean it wins by default, especially when the plane is fast enough that it can’t realistically be intercepted before it reaches safety. While there are a handful of planes that are faster, the speed difference is small enough and the maps confined enough that there is no chance of other fighters being able to get into range with anything less than a head-on interception. Additionally, its extremely high number of countermeasures make it functionally immune to just about every missile if the pilot is even slightly paying attention.
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It is gonna get TWS more than likely, and even if not, it’s still better than every other 13.3 or at the very least heavily pushing more compression south because its further enhancing 13.3’s meta for no reason
All of this is unreasonable and advocating for further compression.
Why? Gun handling on those is too poor to go this high, plus 11.7 is packed with vehicles with better armor and better ammo than those. M1A1 AIM has KEV, M1A1 Click-Bait has top tier APFSDS, M1A1 HC too, those have only 1s worse reload than Type 90’s. Yes, TKX(P) is 11.7 and is more less ok there, but it has way better armor than Type 90’s
Begleit should stay 9.3 untill you do this to him (ofc is it is all true and is proved by documents): (https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/1l0yozv/begleitpanzer_57_mm_w_every_missing_modification/)
Turm III should move from 8.3 to 8.7
it performs so well in uptiers to 9.3. It has amazing gun, good mobility, 30mm coaxial gun that shreds light tanks and more. So it is not fair that this tank stays 8.3, leave Begleit on 9.3 but move Turm to 8.7
A-5C should move from 10.7 to 10.3 (ARB) OR J-7D from 10.7 to 11.0 (ARB)
tech tree variant (J-7E) is 11.3 with same missiles as J-7D. It is better platform, because it is highly midified Mig21 and J-7D is not midified Mig21, so J-7E flies and turns better, but they have same missiles.
A-5C has 2 missiles, it is fast, but that is it. Has not a lot flares (18 when J-7D has 72). J-7D is better in every way from A-5C.
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Please also lower R2Y2s to like 7.7 or 7.3
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Or if you compare to something like Jaguar GR1A, they should probably be 11.3
Mode: Air Realistic
Vehicle: F4F-Early (germany)
BR Change: 10,7 → 10,0
Reasoning: Its the only flaresless plane that sits so high. It constantly faces planes with all aspect IR missiles. It only has rear aspect 18G IR missiles to defend itself. It even has to face potent radar missiles which it cant defend without chaff.
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Is it fair for the F-4E to be at 10.0 just cause it doesnt have flares and sparrows…? the missiles are 9Js and they do very well at 10.0-10.7 btw
There are more, such as F-104s.
nah type90s absolutely deserve to get moved up. all those other tanks have 1s worse reload with ALIVE AND ACED CREW. dm33 is enough to fight even top tier tanks if you hit weakspots
No, the Type 90 does not deserve 11.7. They didn’t even deserve 11.3, 11.0 was basically fine. The armor on them is non-existent and the shell is subpar even at 11.0. The reload is far less of a factor than you’re implying given that 9/10 engagements are decided by the first shot.
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