No it shouldn’t. Players never should be entitled with something if it’s in a PvP environment. Guaranteed kills against AI bots sure thing, but players should never get into the game knowing that there could be an enemy that will delete you from the game because it has 2 guaranteed kills on his airframe.
Yeah the plane itself is great but the airframe is for general arb only. It goes fast and gets up to speed fast which is what you need for arb but its horrid at merging which kills it for dogfights for me. You compress down to 900kmh so you gotta merge at an energy disadvantage
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It isnt rly a “guaranteed kill” if ur aware
Everyone at this br has flares so u can see the mirage coming
Its just ez to get this kills on unaware players
It must have some advantge otherwise how do u expext it to grind?
Only with bombing?
Its boring and slow
Do you know what is gatewith IRCCM? Magic 2 is unflarable rear aspect at effective range (1.5-2km). And with Mirage 2K you easily can get on someone rear considering big aoa pull and speed bleed.
You clearly havent flown an m2k your aoa pull is good below 1000km and and that speed you arent gonna catch anyone. The m2k is a great plane and the magic2 is also amazing but it is not an op missile
Its not unflareable. Thats cope of someone who never flew with something with Magic 2s.
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Ofc ik what it is and u can still flare it if ur quick to react
Also if a mirage is 2/1.5km on ur 6 then yea makes sanse u will get punished
Also he lost half of its armament on u so it needs a powerfull missile to begin with to secure kills
Same as mig29 with r27er ir a10c with aim9m
And its missing radar missiles which is a huge disadvantge
And what airframe at 12.0 will be quick enough to react? Phantoms? MiG-23s? putting Mirage 2K at 12.0 means that it will face 11.0 and this is just laughable balance.
I used plenty of R-73s. And no, i am not talking about some mad TVC HOBS shots, just regular rear aspect and side aspect launches. We already have Mirage F1C at 12.0 and that thing absolutely griefs everything in a downtier exactly because Magic 2.
Ok so lets take mig 21 lazur
Seems fair to me
2 strong missiles vs 6 mid/bad missiles
And its not like m2k fm is much better then the mig 21
Excuse me what? Mirage 2k isn’t much better than MiG-21? Holy… i don’t even know how to respond to this take…
Mode: Ground RB
Vehicle: Roiikat Mk 1D
Change: Reaload from 6.7s → 6.3s
76mm with lackluster spall and same reload of the 105, same br of the vikers mk11, buff reaload from 9rpm to 9.5
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They have similar accelertion
Both delta so bad rotation
Mig 21 have better high speed pull and mirage have better low speed pull
Ofc mirage is better overall but considering the kit and full 1.0 br diffrance then yea it makes sanse
what are yall arguing about
what br you think the m2k should go
Vehicle: Yak-3 USSR and French premium Yak-3
Game Mode: Air RB / Air Realistic
BR change: 4.3 to 4.7
Reasoning:
Almost every experienced prop Air RB player flying at the BR 4.3 is fully aware of the insane flight performance of this late war (Service in Q3 1944) USSR prop fighter.
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Usually superior energy retention, very fast at low to medium alt and armed with a severely buffed main armament of a single 20 mm cannon and 2 hard hitting HMGs the aircraft has a severe advantage vs most opponents at the same BR.
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Historically seen the BR of currently 4.3 was somehow justified as the 20 mm ShVak were the weakest 20 mm cannon within the game. So the Yak- 3 player needed much more guntime/shells per kill and most enemies could survive one or 2 hits in a head-on whilst their own cannons had a superior damage output.
The ballistic update and the RS iterations 2.0 & 3.0 changed this completely. The 20 mm ShVak became out of nowhere a one-tap killer and the chances to kill enemy fighters with one or 2 hits increased significantly.
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There a just a handful of aircraft able to deal with them at the same BR - but based on the 4 parameters top speed, armament, climb and turn radius they have often 2 or 3 advantages vs their opponents.
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So even if your plane (like the Finnish PM-1) beats them in a turnfight you are ill advised to take a head-on as your MG 151/20 has way worse ballistics - and even if your cannon ballistics are on par (like Hispano or Type 99) the Yak-3 can escape thx to superior speed and thx to the pure flight performance reset unwinnable fights.
I mean all you have to do is to go to Statshark and compare the ratios for Kill per Spawn and Kills per death to see that they outperform almost all 4.3 fighters by a substantial margin.
Edit: I refer also to this post in which i addressed this topic for all fighters armed with ShVaks.
Planned Battle Rating changes for August 2025 (updated 16:00, 15.08) - #967 by Real_K_Soze
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Like lol u have the mig 21 bison to compare and whats the diffrance from the bison to lazur?
Avionics and kit thats it
In general the meta favor kit and not fm
my man wants CAS versions of Mirage 2k to be at 12.0 or 12.3 because “only 2 Magic 2s”
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12.3 maybe but 12.0 HELL NAW
12.0
Not the c5
The m2kd-r1 the strike version with only 2 magics