SA Gripen also only has R-Darters should be 13.0 with a missile that bad
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The R-Darters are abysmal. but a JAS39C W/fox3s shouldn’t be a lower BR
The Derby/Darter should recieve a buff to at least be remotely comparable w/ the AMRAAM though.
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hey err… there’s 4 JAS39Cs in game…
And 4 of them :'(
Yea I don’t think the JAS39s should move to 14.0
Mirage 2000 is fair sure
F-15JM probably should, normal 15Cs are a maybe
J11B maybe again
yeah it’s better than F.1 Hunter but the F.1 should be at 8.7 to begin with and J34 is also better than F.1 at the same BR with better engine and aim-9B. Dutch Hunter F.6 don’t have any rocket to use as flares and it only has AIM-9B while the swiss Hunter F.58A has rockets, AIM-9E equivalent, and slightly better engine at the same BR. I’m currently playing it stock right now and literally every match is full uptiers facing AIM-9Ps, Ls, Js, and against supersonics with better maneuverability
You really upset at germany ?
the J34 doesn’t have the better engine.
I think it might have the updated wing design but I read somewhere on here it’s just an F.4 with more internal fuel.
AIM-9B to 9E isn’t too much of a step up.
the F.58 engine is slightly stronger, but not enough to really make a noticeable difference.
The F.58A is equal to the FGA.9 imo, which is also 9.3
It’s a compression issue, we don’t have enough BRs to put better planes in higher brackets.
However, I don’t think the differences are enough to allow the F.6 at 9.0
It’s good enough at 9.3.
Mode: Ground Realistic Battles
Vehicle: IRIS-T SLM
BR Change: 12.0 → 12.7
Reason: New SAM systems were introduced into the game specifically to counter aircraft like the Su-34, Su-30SM, and similar planes. At the moment, this vehicle is equipped with two launchers, each carrying 8 missiles, capable of shooting down aircraft directly on the airfield (something no other SAM in the game can do). At the same time, it ends up fighting against aircraft such as the MiG-27M, Tornado GR.1, F-5E, AMX, and others, which stand no chance against it. Currently, the IRIS-T SLM has a 2.15 K/D ratio, which clearly proves the necessity of raising its BR.
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i meant the J34 has better engine than F.1 and yeah it’s a compression issue at 9.0-10.3 BRs
Every 12.0 in the game is easily capable of notching Fakours, and once it’s dumped those it poses very little threat. Also has terrible RWR and limited countermeasure count, it’s completely fine at 13.0.
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Mode: Ground Realistic Battles
Vehicle: CLAWS
BR Change: 12.0 → 12.3
Reason: New SAM systems were added to the game to counter aircraft like the Su-34, Su-30SM, and similar jets. At the moment, this vehicle has two launchers with 6 missiles each. It currently faces aircraft around BR 11.0, which lack sufficient countermeasures, strong or diverse weapon loadouts, effective RWR, flight performance, and targeting systems. At the same time, these aircraft have to deal with both radar-guided and IR missiles with ECCM on this system. The CLAWS currently has a 1.45 K/D ratio, which clearly indicates its excessive effectiveness against aircraft at its current BR.
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Mode: Ground Realistic Battles
Vehicle: SPYDER
BR Change: 12.0 → 12.3
Reason: New SAM systems were added to the game to counter aircraft like the Su-34, Su-30SM, and similar jets. It currently faces aircraft around BR 11.0, which lack sufficient countermeasures, strong or diverse weapon loadouts, effective RWR, flight performance, and targeting systems. At the same time, these aircraft have to deal with both radar-guided and IR missiles with ECCM on this system. This system is a little worse than CLAWS but bc of 8 FAF missles it should be rised by br. K/D of SPYDER is 1.39, which clearly indicates its excessive effectiveness against aircraft at its current BR.
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Mode: Ground Realistic Battles
Vehicle: EldE 98
BR Change: 12.0 → 12.3
Reason: New SAM systems were added to the game to counter aircraft like the Su-34, Su-30SM, and similar jets. It currently faces aircraft around BR 11.0, which lack sufficient countermeasures, strong or diverse weapon loadouts, effective RWR, flight performance, and targeting systems. At the same time, these aircraft have to deal with IR missiles with ECCM on this system. This SAM is worse than IRIS-T bc of only 4 missiles, but small size and FAF missiles make this vehicle too strong at this br. Current K/D of EldE98 – 1.78.
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what can dm33 pen what dm23 cant? im speaking of 120mm rounds here, not 105.
dm33 is more consistent sure, but not frontally dying against autocannon rounds more than makes up for it.
im just saying there is literally no reason to play the ariete (p) currently. its just a worse leopard 2a4.
SPAA that is played only in AA roles all have very good kd’s.
elde is definedly the worst of the new AAs and its in many ways worse than the strela, which sits at 10.3. it definedly shouldnt be in the same br as irist & claws.
It easily goes through the UFPs of tanks like 80B and TURMS, at pretty much any range.
It can defeat the turret armor of M1s and 2A4s, which DM23 definitely struggles with.
Also, more pen = more spall.
There’s a reason to play Ariete but 2A4 is definitely a better vehicle overall.
BMP-3 at battle rating 9.3 is honestly laughable, at my point of view the statistics are not good nor in arcade or realistic ground battles. I don’t think it’s a bad vehicle at all, it just don’t play like an BMD-4 or BMD-4M. You can rush but just don’t like the other two little devils. As Gaijin insist on only cramping the hell out of the BMP-3 with the early models with older and slower autoloading mechanism instead of later variants with faster and better autoloading mechanism. It’s not a begineer-friendly vehicle when compared to an BMD-4 or BMD-4M with monstrous mobility values.
I won’t oppose to the battle rating change, honestly it’s what it’s but if Gaijin gave the BMP-3 an faster missile reloading rate together with the Soderma modification and moving it to Tier IV modification. This buff, as I see, historical change could not only boost the vehicle stats overall but give much more scope for later BMP-3 modification (e.g. Cactus ERA protection pack, later fire control systems, etc). It’s too much optimism from me but I’m excited for an update to bring more IFVs to the game such like long waited M2A2 Bradley, perhaps Marder 2 prototype and some new technologies like the EBRC Jaguar.
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+1. The CV9035DK should be moved to a lower BR. Ideally, it would be 9.3 with ABM/KETF (AHEAD) rounds, giving it a chance to deal with air targets better and bringing it more in line with its peers. If the ABM ammo isn’t added, then 9.0 would be reasonable.
If the CV9035DK is moved to 9.3 or 9.0, the CV9030FIN should probably drop below 9.3, since it’s weaker in nearly every way compared to the DK.
There’s already a community report on the CV9035DK missing its ABM ammo that was accepted 9 months ago: Community Bug Reporting System