Vehicle: Tornado ASSTA1 (Germany)
Gamemode: Air Realistic and Air Sim
BR Change: 11.7 ----> 11.3
Reason: It has identical performance to the earlier Tornado IDS aircraft (Tornado A200, Tornado MFG and Tornado WTD61) in every single respect and therefore has no justification for being a higher BR within air gamemodes
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Same can be said about several other planes (including subsonics) which already face fox 3 missiles right now.
Vehicle: Su-22M3/M4
Gamemode: Air Simulator Battles
BR Change: 11.0 ----> 11.3
Reason: It has very good handling and decent top speed and can be armed with 6x All-aspect IR missiles. When the average is 2 or maybe 4 all-aspect IR missiles on sub-sonic aircraft like the Sea Harrier or A-10 at this BR or supersonic aircraft like the Tornado IDS armed with only 2x Aim-9Ls at 11.3. It is insane to me that the Su-22M3 can operate with 6x All-aspect IR missiles at such a low BR. It’s low CM count might be why it is at this BR in Air Realistic, but in Air Sim, its just too OP.
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Vehicle:IJN Agano
Gamemode: Naval Realistic
BR Change: 5.3 -----> 5.0
Reason: The Agano still has terrible penetration. Additional, it has almost no armour, making it extremely vulnerable to even destroyers. 5.0 is a more reasonable BR for it at this time
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In my opinion, if a vehicle had night vision then it should get night vision in game regardless of what battle rating it’s at and where night battles take place. Custom night battles exist, and the Fox can’t use night vision there.
Why does the ASU-85 get to keep its NVD at a BR of 6.3? Is it because it doesn’t get NVD as a modificaiton? Why not just give the Fox and the Scimitar NVD without the need to research it like the ASU-85?
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Vehicle: Su-22UM3K
Gamemode: Air Realistic and Air Simulator Battles
BR Change: 11.0 ----> 11.3
Reason: It has very good handling and decent top speed and can be armed with 6x All-aspect IR missiles. When the average is 2 or maybe 4 all-aspect IR missiles on sub-sonic aircraft like the Sea Harrier or A-10 at this BR or supersonic aircraft like the Tornado IDS armed with only 2x Aim-9Ls at 11.3. It is insane to me that the Su-22M3 can operate with 6x All-aspect IR missiles at such a low BR. Unlike the other Su-22s, this airframe has no such CM issues and thus, should be a higher BR in both gamemodes and is on-par, if not superior to the SU-24 currently at 11.3.
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watch as they dont make any changes based on this feedback just like last time
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That one should be 9.0 and the Ozelot 9.3.
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Regarding the swap of XM800T and M551, i thought the Arcade BR was the deciding factor in rank?
hell nah, the su-22m3 only has 12 flares
Type 90 should go 11.7 with TKX P, and Turm III has no buiseness doing in 8.3, I get it it is played by unexperienced players but in it’s BR it is way to powerful, I think 9.0 would be a better option, or at least 8.7.
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Vehicle: AMX A-1A
Gamemode: Air Realistic & Air Sim
BR Change: 11.0 ----> 10.7
Reason: The AMX A-1A is identical in nearly every single respect to the tech-tree version the AMX, except it has the MAA-1 Piranha Air-to-air missiles. These are notably different to the Aim-9Ls that the standard AMX carries but comparable in overall performance and I don*t believe justify any reason for the AMX A-1A to be any higher at this time.
All Ground Attack aircraft are underperforming notably with Air Realistic at the moment, especially sub-sonic airframes that routinely encounter super-sonic ground attack aircraft. Such a higher BR guarantees that they will encounter aircraft such as the F-4S which routinely clear any and all bases long before the AMX can arrive.
The only gamemode that the AMX A-1A performs “well” in is Air Simulator, but even within this gamemode it is notably underpowered, given its the same BR as the Mig-23MLD and would be better suited at 10.7 alongside similar airframes such as the AMX and Buccaneer S2B. Whilst the MAA-1’s are little stronger with Air Sim due to their short burn time, making them harder to see, the lack of radar limits the AMX A-1A’s ability to ID targets at longer ranges.
The AMX and AMX A-1A are not strong dogfighters, with aircraft like the Sea Harrier FRS1e at 10.7 much more capable under most conditions and its hard to justify even 10.7 for the airframes if not for the on-going compression
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Vehicle: Phantom FG1
Gamemode: Air Realistic
BR Change: 12.0 ----> 11.7
Reason: It has one of the worst A2A weapon loadouts at that BR and is being carried by the fact it has decent engines and slightly more CMs than most. But VS equivalent F4s like the F4S, it stands no chance, let alone aircraft on its own tree like the Tornado F3 that is universally better in almost all respects at the same BR.
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Vehicle: Phantom F-4J(UK)
Gamemode: Air Realistic and Air Simulator
BR Change: ARB: 12.0 ----> 11.7 ASB: 12.0 —>11.3
Reason: It is an identical airframe to the F-4J(US) but unlike it does not have the Aim-7F or HMD upgrades, lowering its performance notably. It doesnt even have Napalm. It is one of the weakest 12.0 aircraft in RB at the moment and doesnt belong at 12.0. It is also massively weaker than the F-4S which has the Agile eagle upgrade as well.
In Sim, its equivalent TT aircraft are currently at 11.3 and there is no justification for it to be at 12.0 given it is weaker than both with less CMs, weaker engines and a weaker RWR
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so you want to buff your british planes and nerf other nation’s planes, i see everything…
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Vehicle: Phantom FGR2
Gamemode: Air Realistic and Air Simulator
BR Change: ARB: No change, ASB: 11.3 ----> 12.0
Loadout Change: Add Aim-9L
Reason: Unlike the Phantom FG1, the FGR2 actually used Aim-9L when it was in service with the RAF, this would give the FGR2 the performance it needs to operate at 12.0 alongside airframes such as the Tornado F3 and JAS37D . This change also helps differentiate between the FGR2 and FG1 which are currently Identical and gives a reason to own both airframes.
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120s at 10.0 in grb is too good it get m29a1 with 598 mm penn
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Absolutely not, it is already more than strong enough and is one of the easiest planes to use.
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F-4J(US) doesn’t have agile eagle
you must be thinking of F-4S
Nice to see you also discovered this reality.