mode : Ground realistic battles.
Vehicle : BMP3
Change : 9.0 > 9.3
Reasoning : incredibly mobile platform with access to a strong 100 mm gun launcher with over 750 pen and a tandem charge, as well as gen 2 thermals.
this gives the BMP3 a great advantage at 9.0 , as well as combining in a reliable 30MM autocannon, laser range finder and of course the hydronuematic suspension, makes the BMP3 as well an extremely potent vehicle for its BR.
Yeah MB i changed it, i take it to in a 10.7 lineup so it gets a bit lost BR wise sometimes.
It absolutely shreds though and could possibly be 10.0. but 9.7 seems more reasonable
mode : Ground realistic battles.
Vehicle : T72A
Change : 9.3 > 9.7
Reasoning : with the current shift in tanks from 9.7 to 10.0, as well as the fact the tank is insanely strong in even a minor 9.0 downtier, the T72A while not perfect has the round, the armour, and the mobility to make it at 9.7.
though it lacks thermals it makes up for in armour profile, overall profile and a reliable round in the 3BM22.
This also doesnt include the HE round which can overpressure most tanks from the roof if used correctly.
How bout Gaijin stop doing clown level things that warrants them getting hate in the first place?
The better engine doesn’t mean much when the HP/T for the TURMS-T is still better. But only by a negligible amount of .5 so it’s a moot point. I didn’t notice the better composites tbh but irony is that it only really helps against the 11.3 Abrams and Mk.3 Merkava for the entire bracket since they get a top tier round. Potection analysis claims DM23 and friends can go through the UFP consistently, but I’ve played a ridiculous number of games in the TURMS-T since it’s basically what I used to learn tanks (over 600 battles) and I have a really hard time believing that as long as the ERA is still there. I very distinctly remember my UFP only being penned by the former 11.3 tanks that you could meet like the Leo 2 PL, Clickbait, etc. Had the same experience when fighting them in stuff like the 2A4 because I was just determined to aim for the driver’s sight for a long time lol. I noticed it claims that even the strongest parts of the turret and hull armor on the 2A4 is penned by DM23 so I’m starting to wonder how reliable it really is with composites. But even then it looks like they undervalue composite armor in protection analysis. Where they both sit now results in the TURMS-T being a better version of the B unless you meet the 11.3 Abrams/Merkava Mk.3 in a full uptier. Ironically I was just about to start researching the B so I’ll have to do some testing with it. I’ve just been really lazy in doing it since the tiny COD maps have gradually made me hate high tier ground.
so you really replied to me to post 4 bad takes.
Please, do not respond to me anymore
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My bad I got the names backwards. That’s what I meant to say for the same reason lol
18HP/t is already terrible for 10.0+ so every little helps
the only round that struggles with it is M774 on the M1 and that’s not exactly a standard round at this BR
aside from the Optics it’s worse in just about every way, even the turret drives aren’t as good, 20 deg/sec max is awful
Finally something I agree on
Mode: Ground Arcade
Vehicle: Rooikat Mk. 1D
BR: 8.3 → 8.3 (remain)
Reason: The Rooikat Mk. 1D is not overly powerfull at 8.3 compared to what it faces from other nations. In Arcade it is more difficult to use effectively as all light tanks are in arcade. The APFSDS is smaller than others that are available at the same BR. Some light tanks get the strongest ammunition for their BR. The Rooikat is good and a vital part of the british 8.3 lineup. Its a lot of fun to play on big maps but its not to powerfull for its BR.
mode : Ground realistic battles.
Vehicle : M1A2
Change : 11.7 > 12.0
Reasoning : the M1A2 abrams is comparable to the Leopard 2a5, it has a better reload, better mobility overall in its turret traverse and hull traverse. Has access to the fantastic M829A2 round, combined with a five second reload it absolutely destroys any and all BR 10.7 tanks
That’s cool and all but also a 2 way street. It has better armor than any other 8.7 by a pretty wide margin and not every tank has APDS. A lot of them get heat which the hull excells at blocking. The only thing that comes close to it in armor is the ZTZ59D1 and M60 RISE which get the same kind of heat protection, but is a standard T-54 turret/M60 against all other rounds. Meanwhile the AMD-1 has amazing turret protection compared to everything at or below its br. You’re also not looking at the most important part which is that it terrorizes 7.7. When I play 7.7 France (And I think we can universally agree that France gets the strongest 7.7 lineup until Gajiin nerfs that too) I always whip out the Surbaissé first spawn in a full uptier just so I can point-and-click the AMD-1s I meet just like they do to me regularly.
Pretending the APHE shouldn’t be used? That’s a paddlin’. The APHE is the primary round I use because it’s way better to just one-shot nuke tanks through weakpoints than it is to gamble on reload time. With the help of the laser rangefinder it’s not a problem to go weakpoint hunting at any range. If I meet something the APHE can’t handle then it’s time for APFSDS.
That’s just flat out untrue when it comes to the AM-1. I literally can’t think of a single tank with a better package than it at 8.7.
“I can’t pen a couple of tiny spots on a singular 10.0. With my dart and decided APHE is bad. Aaaah! It’s over!” APHE exists. Use it to nuke every tank there is at 10.0
HP/T of AM-1: 16.6
HP/T of Magach 6M: 14
HP/T of Kal Dalet: 13.8
HP/T of TTS: 13.4
HP/T of Chieftain Mk 10: 12.5
Seems legit.
Better reload: yes.
Better round: who cares? You have APHE and dart works fine.
Similar mobility: no.
Better layout and survivability: lol no.
Better ammo positioning: LOL NO.
Better crew positioning: yes. More likely to hit ammo on accident.
Everyone should go up just to suit my 1 tank.
So you think the sheer volume of AM-1s will singlehandedly change the entire bracket? Lol. One tank isn’t gonna change the world because lets be real, nobody plays the AMD-1 when there are so many better options
I hope you internet stangers have as much fun reading this as I had making it. I got way too much time on my hands today.
Where are the changes for Sim? Red team in sim needs a huge help from 11.7 and above
I’ll preface this with the context that I enjoy IFVs, ATGM carriers, M551/M60A2, & doing dumb things like running HESH only, so play at lot of 8.0-9.0 which I personally feel is the most generally balanced area in game (Ground vs Air wise that is), & have not ground out Russia so have not played the AMD.
Personally I find the AMD not OP, but extremely annoying to fight. You see a lot of them at the BR, and combined with dodgy turret syncing, they no-sell a lot of the dumb things I like doing/playing.
I’m not really sure what to do about it though, as it’s more a combination of map design funnelling players into CQB engagements (and therefore reducing flanking options etc), and the sheer quantity of the things, (and well, the typical lack of team play). Increased cool-down on the APS maybe? Count an APS interception as enough of a hit to appear on the map? (not sure if that is done or not already tbh)
The T-55AM-1/AMD have been downright oppressive for the 8.0-8.7 bracket, the only reason not to move them up has been the comparative poor performance of 3BM25 above 9.0, otherwise them moving up is good. Them moving up and and the TURM III not moving is… hmm…
They’re oppressive against 7.7, sure, but so I literally every single other 8.7. AMX-30B2 BRENUS anyone?
You’re right about the Turm III. It should be 8.7 at minimum and should have been before this BR change.
AMX-30 gets thermals or something at like 8.7
Every single 8.7 MBT in the game has access to either APDS or APFSDS.
The ZTZ59D should be 8.7 realistically.
Im aware how it works in a downtier, as both having used it and fought against it.
As i said, to move the T55Amd1 and AM1 up we should have decompression.
Or is the T55AMD1 on par with an XM803?
(no its not)
Im sorry but if you’re not using the 3BM25 as a main round on the T55A or above then thats your issue.
The APFSDS is a substantially more reliable round.
Those same weak points become larger with APFSDS,APHE is no where near as good as darts, period.
or just use APFSDS and never have to worry ?
Object 435 at 8.7 is better.
same reload, 14,5 mm MG, better mobility, 115mm gun.
Shot Kal gimel is better. DM23, LRF, decent protection and great turret and hull traverse.
Im talking from experience, before the 2K was 10.0 it used to see the T55Am1, I also used to use it in a lineup with the turms.
The T55AM1 is not an efficient tank against 10.0s.
Again I refer to my other answer, APHE is a garbage round past 7.7
Chieftain mk10 is the heaviest one.
mk5 has 13.8 hp at which isnt even a whole ass 3 HP/T lower than it.
the T55s are not extremely mobile tanks.
im sorry but you are joking??
@MotorolaCRO have you seen this? the dudes saying hte TTS round doesnt matter comparing the t55 cause the T55 has APHE xD
at 9.0 you should not be touching APHE
Literally yes. The M60 has a better crew layout compared to the T55 as the T55 is a smaller tank.
How no? the T55 ammo is actively in the front of the tank.
If someone takes a max ammo rack sure.
What ? that makes no sense xD
What tank is my tank?
I actively use the merkavas, T72s, T64B (got talisman on it)
Shir 2
Its called decompression´
Was about to say, 9.3 BR dart, LRF, thermals, great platform, only drawback is no stab.
yet the T55 is the issue.
Turm III should be 8.7 and CLOVIS should be 8.3 min.
Thermals, LRF. think 7.1 second reload, and the same dart as teh amx30 super
It also doesn’t have a gun stabiliser at 8.7
kinda funny it was brought up at all
Also APFSDS, laser rangefinder, ERA and an APS. It’s a 9.3 tank minus a stabilizer.