Planned Battle Rating changes for April 2025

Pz.IV J

Rank II → Rank III

Generally nearly all the long 75mm armed Pz.IV can use a BR increase, since they have the performance to be able to. While they do require more skill since they are more of a glass cannon compared to T-34’s or M4’s, they have a gun that have better penetration. The Pz.IV J compared to the Pz.IV H, have a tradeoff in regards to its turret rotation, that makes it more balanced for its current BR. However it should still get an increase in rank, so it can be used for daily missions.

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Pz.38(t) n.A

Rank I → Rank II

Move it up in rank, and give back its ability to scout. As it currently is in the game, there is no reason to play this thing over the other Pz.38(t).

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Germany rank 1 and 2 is full enough, theres no reason to move the 38(T) up to rank 2

Mode: Realistic Battles

Vehicle: AMX-40

BR: 10.0 → 9.7

Reason: I believe there are two big reasons not to move the AMX-40 up in br, at least for now,

Firstly, I believe that the AMX-40 fits very well at 9.7 at the moment. I play quite a bit at the 9.3/9.7 br range with France, Britain, Germany and Russia, and I have never found myself being accused of using an overpowered vehicle in the AMX-40. I think that if you really cared about balance and fairness you’d take a long hard look at vehicles like the CLOVIS or 2S38 rather than a vehicle that, up until now, I have heard 0 complaints about. Many comparisons are made to the Leopard 2k, however I think its important to note the 2k has a better performing round, a stabilized autocannon and much better variable zoom levels on it’s gunner sight. Aside from hard factors like round performance, the 2k also has a good lineup to go along with it, something the AMX-40 would not have if moved up. High winrates and KDs can be pretty easily explained by the fact that French players are generally pretty skilled at the game, simple as that.

Even if we assume that it would be fair to move the AMX-40 up in br, you’re still moving it to a BR with quite literally no lineup to speak of as I mentioned before. I think it would be an understatement to say that it’s not fair to force French players to move their 9.3/9.7 tanks up to 10.0 just so one tank can have a lineup behind it. You already have a very well-rounded 9.7 lineup for france, why ruin it like this? In moving the AMX-40 up to 10.0, you’d not only be nerfing it twice over by placing it at a higher br and depriving it of a br appropriate lineup, you’d also be soft nerfing the entire 9.3/9.7 lineups by forcing them to be artificially moved up in br as well.

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Agreed. But TURMS-T should also go up to 10.7 since it’s a direct upgrade to the 72B thanks to basically being the same thing but with thermals

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turms av armour is significantly worse than T-72B; it’s fine where it is

So every other vehicle at those BR’s should suffer?

could be worse (Ju 388J)

Merkava 1 and 2 BR change is stupid and I can prove it using only 1 vehicle in the same techtree. Lets take the Magach 6B gal which sits at 9.3 and isnt being moved up to 9.7, the magach 6b gal has better armour, better manoeuvrability, better acceleration, smaller profile, better round, better armaments and era but wait the merkavas are so overpowed they must be moved up to 9.7 which has constant 10.7 uptiers literally every game due the amount of 10.0-10.7 premiums. So if I was to ask what is the reason for the BR change on the merkavas they are already shit in 9.3 and even shitter in 9.7 please use some common sense!!!

The German KV-1B and Soviet KV-1E are far too heavily armoured to stay at 4.0 in RB. They should easily be increased in BR in both AB and RB, possibly as far up as the KV-1 ZiS-5 at 4.7 since they trade a worse gun for even more armour than it.

The EBR 1951 is not better than the AMX-13 FL-11 and should be decreased to the same 4.3 BR. Similarly, the M24 is also as good, and should be increased to 4.3 (AB/RB/SB). They all bring the firepower of the Sherman onto a quick chassis, trading differing amounts of usable armour, speed and gun handling compared to eachother.

I would also prefer to see the Lago 1 lose the APDS shell (as it was canceled before development of the APDS started) and be dropped to around 2.0 to make it perform essentially as a lower BR version of the Strv m/42.

Similarly, both the Strv m/38 and Strv m/39 could lose the APDS shell as it makes them lasers compared to other nations 1.0 vehicles. They would still perform well without it. Also for historical reasons. (The m/40L however should keep it)

The Pvkv III is straight up awful and can easily be dropped back to 2.7 where it still wasn’t amazing, but at least usable.

The M26 Pershing is not that significantly better than the Tiger E, and should at most be 0.3 BR above it. Especially as long as it shares that spot with its significantly better brothers (T26E5/T26E1-1). Unless many vehicles at 7.3 gets moved up.

The CCVL and XM8 should for all intents and purposes “switch places” as the XM8 was the successor to the CCVL. As such it makes more sense for it to receive better ammo etc. But I understand it’s a hard case to argue from a gameplay perspective, as it’s much work (which might upset people) for little reward.

The M14/41 and M15/42 are not competetive at their BR’s as they neither have the penetration, armour or speed to do much, especially when they are forced into an uptier.

Due to the flat armour of the ISU-152, it isn’t that significantly better than the SU-152, and could be dropped to 4.3.

The T-35 can easily oppress any enemy team due to its high survivability and quick firing 45mm, and should be increased in BR so the chance of seeing it in lower games is rarer.

The BMP-1 in AB could easily be raised to 8.0 as it is in both RB and SB.

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Hi those are my suggestions,
Tiger 2p 6.3 (worse than 2h)
He 177 5.7 (worse than ju288c)
F-4F early 10.3 (no flares vs all)
Strela 10.7 (pulverizing with undodgable missiles)
Vautorr 8.7 (to slow, no air spawn)

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That and it isn’t even supposed to have a thermal sight.

There was a video (which I’m desperately trying to find right now) that showed it’s only an IR TV, not a thermal.

I don’t know if they’re overperforming nowadays but they’re definitely one of the most damaging 20mm guns in the prop bracket. It’s a toss up between them and the U.S. 20mm guns. Even on stuff like the Yak 3 where you only get one it destroys stuff pretty handily.

Lmao the 163 is nowhere near as good. It sits at a br where planes can actually outrun it and most people will since they know it’s a UFO under 3 mins of fuel. Especially after the fuel load nerf since it plays on much bigger maps thanks to its br and it isn’t nearly as fuel efficient as the BI when you throttle down. Pair that with the MK 108 softball launchers that people can react to and dodge at 600m and it’s a rough time. The 8.7 one solves the velocity issue at the price of going up against even faster planes that can easily BnZ you all day until you either make a mistake or run out of fuel.

Weren’t you trying to do the exact same thing with me trying to defend the 1B/E? Just using different wording and basically claiming you know better? I know the strengths and weaknesses of the tank very well too. I’ve made that pretty obvious and even as a somewhat fresh player I was able to do well in it just by holding W into everything, angling, and prioritising tanks with big guns. The amount of times I’ve had 3+ people just sitting there slinging shells at me and only destroying my breach or killing my machine gunner is surreal. Meanwhile all I had to do was wait for my breach to repair, kill one of them between reloads, and repeat. As a better player from back then where I actually look around corners now instead of using the ridiculous side armor as my spotting system, it very easy to do well with it even in full uptiers.

Also on a side note, I’ve fought plenty of BIs with quite a few different planes. The only time I’ve been able to kill them is when the player flying it makes a mistake and lets me get a shot in or I get a lucky 1.2km+ snipe (that also involves an error on his part by not dodging my guns) even when I cut reversals to where I have zero room for error.
Both the BI and P-59A are so blatantly overpowered that they’re the only planes that I’ve ever seen random players coordinate together in chat to kill. Even when people don’t talk everyone usually tries to gang up on BIs because they know if they don’t it’ll destroy half of the team. I almost always see them casually fighting against 3 - 5 people since they can just pitch straight up and dictate the engagement. The only other planes I’ve ever seen able to single-handedly decide what team wins the match was the Gripen during the IRCCM meta and the F-15E somewhat before it had its engines nerfed. The difference is that those two aren’t overpowered still.

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A quick look in protection analysis shows that the 1989 version of the B actually has worse armor
courtesy of it missing ERA on either side of its breach. While the regular one is identical in armor to the TURMS-T.

Absurd.

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It’s crazy that this is only the 3rd worst take I’ve seen in this thread and the first 2 are from the same guy. My brother in christ learn how to counter radar missiles or don’t go high up at the start of the match. And tbh I’d rather have PL-5B/Magic 1s over a few of the all aspect missiles out there. You’re basically a SMT with a better loadout. You definitely don’t have a crappy FM.

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Nevermind. This takes 3rd place.

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I think this is the reaction we we saw the French changes ngl

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Vehicle: SB2C helldiver(SB2C-1/3, SB2C-5(FR/JP))
BR changes: none
Other changes: received attacker spawn
Given how it is usually played as a fighter, the helldivers has impressive first-loop agility and compensates speed bleed with high spawn altitudes, allowing them to down bombers easily. To alieveate the issue of bombers being impossible to play at this BR, the helldivers could be moved down to attacker(CAS) spawns which allows them to still received a kill or two. At the end of the day they are bombers, not bomber-destroyers.

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Mode: Air RB

Vehicle: F4 ICE

BR Change: 13.0---->13.3

Reasoning: Its too op with aims 120 on lower br’s especially againts 12.0 jets.