I’ll drop a comment here then ig
Air Realistic Battles
Harrier GR.7
12.3–> 12.0/11.7
The Harrier GR.7 has a pretty strong kit of 4 AIM-9M missiles for the battle rating it currently sits at, but completely lacks a radar, the guns have a very low trigger time and lack tracers, and it has the flight performance and speed of a harrier. The lack of HMD but overall better flight performance compared to the A-10C makes me think that the harrier could be justified at possibly 11.7.
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I dont want to be that guy but
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Air Realistic Battles
Tornado GR.4 (Britain)
12.3–>12.0/11.7
The Tornado GR.4 is simply a CAS plane and has a very limited effect on an air RB battle. It’s flight performance is inferior to planes such as the F-4J/S. The plane gets 2 AIM-9M air to air missiles but lacks any form of radar/BVR missiles and has access to a HMS. This means that I think the GR.4 could be moved down from its current BR of 12.3
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same with f104s/ASA and f104s Italian
f104s/ASA historically had double the missiles it has in game, also it has no directional rwr so it’s too much overtiered
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PL-5EII has IRCCM, you daft or something?
OK fair point? You mean you have severe skill issue to not be able to use fuckin gripen?
Fuck is this even trying to say.
That can’t perform sustained turn without the snappiness of Delta wing, WITH 4 DIRECTIONAL RWR AND NO HMD.
Someone gotta revoke your speaking privilege.
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I think F-104s and F-104s TAF needs to be down tier with their aim9Ps currently against mig 23ml or AV8B+ NGL etc all uses Aim9 Ls and M60Ms … so it needs to be downgrade as Mig23MF lvl 11.0 br
LEARN THE GAME
STOP trying to head-on A-10 and maybe you can live with 9J.
It never carried 9Ls did it lmao
I don’t even want to go there first. the fact that the dude said 9J on F-5 is not enough is already a problem to begin with. don’t try to missile with gunfighter, that missile is a third party tool, not your main kill tool.
yea insane amounts of gun ammo on the best dogfighting airframe at the BR.
Really on the fence with this.
Yes, it’s subsonic, but it also has some of the best turn fight performance below the 14.0s. Gr7 Vs even a Gripen would be a close run thing in a low alt turn fight.
It does lack radar, but that is mostly annoying in SB not RB. This could be mitigated by replacing the TIALD with Sniper pod for better VID potential.
It’s guns do lack tracers though imo, they are the best guns in the British TT. 25mm ADENS are laser guns.
It also has a great CM loadout of 4x BOL, though this is heavily mitigated by the fake BOL nerfs. Fixing BOL would give it an amazing defensive loadout. It also has rear-aspect PD MAWS which is fairly good.
So it’s tricky. It has weaknesses that make it stand out at that BR. But it also has strengths. It is also massively underperforming at the moment in all respects (FM, heat sigs, CM loadout, even A2A loadout)
So before dropping it’s BR, I’d rather see it buffed in performance. There are enough outstanding bug reports for It
This probs wont be seen, but trhe sherman 1 in the brit tree needs to go down to 3.3. It is a sherman M4A1 which has an identical tank present in several other trees, but for some reason the sherman 1 is a higher br, with no differences between the other ones in the game
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The AMX M4 and 13 to 7.0 ?
That’s not only the worst thing that could happen to those vehicles but now there’s no reason to play them anymore.
Why play with a worse tank when the direct upgrade is in the same BR bracket.
Gosh that must be how M26 players feel.
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Same here. Given just how unwilling they are to even lower the GR1, I doubt they’ll lower the Gr4. The GR4 has an exceptionally good defensive suite in comparison with practically unlimited flares and chaff, all-aspect MAWS and a great RWR. I’ve been able to consistently get 1+ base kill and 1+ A2A kill in it recently.
12.0 maybe, but much like the Gr7, would rather see it buffed. It’s FM is underperforming and it’s A2G loadout is also pretty poor at the moment without it’s main A2G weapons. Brimstones
Imo, lack of additional armor is not enough to bring in down to 4.7, on uk firefly i personally just removed it since it adds barely any protection but increases the weight by 2 tons, should not go down unless it looses apds.
???
where did you get that from :S
uk sherman 2 does get apcr but its useless and ahistorical, hull is a bit stronger but probably not enough to make a difference. 3.3 would be nice.
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Air Simulator Battles, Mirage IIIE, 11.0 → 10.7, only has access to either 2 rear aspect heat seeker missiles missiles and a CW SARH missile, or 3 heat seeker missiles, the 2 non optional heat seekers are Magic 1 dogfight missiles with 35g pull, but short range, and the SARH or heat seeker is the Matra 530/E, with only 15g however much longer range. the Mirage IIIE only has access to a pulse radar, which is prone to losing track without countermeasures deployment below 2000m, and has no chaff or clutter rejection available. the RWR is a Sensor based unit, with only four sensors, one in the front, back and sides, and only has Pulse or CW notification, with no launch warning. Its engine is especially weak for its br with a afterburning thrust of 6110 kgf, compared to the MIG-21Bis’ engine which has a afterburning thrust of 7050 kgf or the J-7E’s afterburning thrust of 6460 kgf, or F-4E’s afterburning total thrust of 16020 kgf
The Mirage IIIE is notably less capable than its counterparts at its own br, with less missiles and a weaker engine than other fighters at its own BR, and is worse is most ways than the F-4E, which sits at 10.7. In addition, from my perspective, the Mirage IIIE suffers more in Simulator battles than Air Realistic due to the loss of markers showing enemy players and missiles, despite its higher BR in Simulator Battles.
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As a joke, with Gaijin’s recent move with Q-5A/L,
I can’t wait to see non-GR.4 Tonka becomes from 11.3/11.7 to 11.7/12.0 and GR.4 goes 12.7 and ties up with D-RMV
‘Because they bomb too good!!! You want buff? Then nerf base reward!!!’
while MiG-23ML gangs go 11.7->11.3 and F-4S goe 12.0->11.7
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