Planned Battle Rating changes for April 2025

IPM1
11.3 → 11.0 or → 11.3
Reason: Currently it shares its br with the now better M1A1 since the M1A1 got a reload buff to 5 seconds while retaining better firepower and having an equal reload. The IPM1 currently would fit better to the 11.0 bracket

or just remove the 5 second reload from the M1A1 specifically and keep it 11.3

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M1A1
11.3–>11.3
Remove 5 second reload: The 5 second reload on this abrams makes the IPM1 all but useless since it has the same reload and way less firepower in comparison

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Ariete AMV
12.0—>11.3 GRB
Reason: The Ariete at this day and age doesnt fit its current BR as the Leopard 2A7s is at the same br while being better in every way. Along with one of the worst ammo layouts
Remove DM53 and the 5 second reload if need be.

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The ARL only has ~80 of frontal protection on it’s hull and 50 to 60mm on it’s side. infact both the KV-1B and E can penetrate it’s entire UFP.

The oddity is that you think that ARL is overpowered and that the KV-1s are not.

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C1 Ariete PSO
11.7—>11.3 GRB
Reason: The Ariete at this day and age doesnt fit its current BR as the M1A2 is at the same br while being better in every way except for thermals. Along with one of the worst ammo layouts
Remove DM53 and the 5 second reload if need be.

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C1 Ariete (WAR)
11.7—>11.3 GRB
Reason: The Ariete at this day and age doesnt fit its current BR as the M1A2 is at the same br while being better in every way except for thermals. Along with one of the worst ammo layouts
Remove DM53 and the 5 second reload if need be.

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Just decrease the reload speed of M1A1 and it should be enough.
IPM1 doesn’t belong at 11.0.

im not going to lie i just pasted what i wrote last time we had one of these

Air RB Mirage 2000 C-S5 back to 12.3 please!

It cannot compete against FOX-3 carriers, it has to play defensive until it is the last plane in the team

wyvern 4.7? Is there any buff on airframe or what.

Kurnass 2000
11.7->11.3(Revoke this unreasonable change)
Reason:The K2000’s carrying capacity is not as good as that of the American 11.7 F111F. If you need to carry a laser-guided bomb while carrying an AGM65D, you can only use a pod with a 10x magnification and no thermal imaging function.Moreover, the current number of points for mounting AGM65D has reached an unacceptable level

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I don’t really understand the habbit of making Ground RB BRs of helis and jets higher than the BR cap of ground vehicles. Its makes them impossible to use.

I’d also request BR reduction of the dumb-bomb only Tornados by -0.3 BR. Its just neccessary. Their current BR is too high and they can’t compete to reach bases before other do and bomb them. Its always the last to arrive. Its air to air capabilities are super meh as well… Its BR need to be lower.

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What buff does it even need??? Its capabilities make it literally as good as a 6.0 strike aircraft, being able to bomb bases with a single loadout and having tons of ammo while maintaining a high speed still comparable to an early jet (sea level straightline speed is literally 650 km/h). Not to mention it still has its airspawn for some reason. A vehicle should be judged according to its capabilities in its own role.

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Its outer cheek armour is actually pretty good – up to ~600mm:

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Its inner cheek armour is okay, but isn’t great – around 400mm:

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Its Breech is around 200mm thick, though the breech area is smaller than that of the Type 90’s:

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For comparison (Type 90’s):

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What’s funny is that the 10.7s Abrams can’t pen the breech of the Type 90.

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In general, the TKX (P) has stronger strongpoints (turret cheeks) and smaller (albeit weaker) weakpoints (breech) for the turret. I’d say it’s better overall.

The lower UFP of the TKX (P) is worth around ~600-570mm, which is enough to block most, if not, all MBT rounds at 10.3-11.3 – even most from 11.7 and 12.0:

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For comparison (Type 90’s):

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Seems to only be around 430-410mm, which is still great for a ‘no-armour’ MBT.

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The Upper UFP of the TKX (P) also is steeper, which can sometimes be trolly enough to ricochet APFSDS:

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For comparison (Type 90’s):

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Its a post war super prop. Its BR should be around 6.0 to 7.0. Something in between. You really need a jet to intercept them and its loadout makes it a very tough striker (comparable to Skyraiders etc).

Its BR is too low. No one can cope with its speed + airspawn + bombloadout.

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Nah I’m saying it doesn’t matter because I can’t change it anyways

3x 1000lb on 7.0 seems bit too high

Wyvern don’t have payload of A2D

How about removing air spawn just like XP-50?

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AMX-32 (105)
9.3 → 8.7
Reason: This tank has been in a bad BR spot for a long time. It gets outaccelerated by nearly anything. Its armor is only good against autocannons (it’s not protected even against chemical rounds), its mobility is below average, it’s not small enough to hide well and its reload is just average. Even the cannon is not that strong, having just average pen compared to its peers. At 8.7, it could still be defeated when not careful, but it would have a more even competition and would also give the 8.7 French line-up an actually stabilized vehicle.

Other solution: Decrease its reload time, so that there’s a reason to use it instead of the AMX-32 (120) that does everything this vehicle does, but better. It has also been mentioned in its own devblog that the 105mm is supposed to fire faster than the 120mm cannon, but they have the exact same reload rate in-game.

Devblog proof:
Screenshot 2025-04-17 at 11-29-27 Development AMX-32 (105) The Sidekick - News - War Thunder

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The only real bad ammo being used is in a full downtier or some USSR APHE slinger. 8.7+ is all fine except maybe the 803/MBT. Almost all 9.3 mediums have thermals and the exact same dart, DM33.

So other 9.3s have the same dart, thermals and for the most part, better mobility. So the argument for it going up in BR is that its gun turns faster and it has troll armour (the engine can eat rounds sometimes) and a boarderline useless LWS. That’s it?

All the T72’s, AMX Super, OF-40 MCTA, ZTZ96, Olifant 2, AMX 32, and Khalid that have similar stats or better and better winrates, some even have better darts and mobility are all fine at 9.3?

8.7 is way too low.
9.0 is stretching it.
It has thermals and ESS, as well as a great dart if it were 9.0.
For reference, the T-55AM1, T-62M1, and M60 TTS will / are all at that battle rating.
Its mobility is better than any of those too.
I would rather be in a AMX-32 105 than any of the other 9.0s in pretty much all cases (asides from the Obj 279, and maybe the OF-40 Mk.2).

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