C1 Ariete (WAR)
11.7—>11.3 GRB
Reason: The Ariete at this day and age doesnt fit its current BR as the M1A2 is at the same br while being better in every way except for thermals. Along with one of the worst ammo layouts
Remove DM53 and the 5 second reload if need be.
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Just decrease the reload speed of M1A1 and it should be enough.
IPM1 doesn’t belong at 11.0.
im not going to lie i just pasted what i wrote last time we had one of these
Air RB Mirage 2000 C-S5 back to 12.3 please!
It cannot compete against FOX-3 carriers, it has to play defensive until it is the last plane in the team
wyvern 4.7? Is there any buff on airframe or what.
Kurnass 2000
11.7->11.3(Revoke this unreasonable change)
Reason:The K2000’s carrying capacity is not as good as that of the American 11.7 F111F. If you need to carry a laser-guided bomb while carrying an AGM65D, you can only use a pod with a 10x magnification and no thermal imaging function.Moreover, the current number of points for mounting AGM65D has reached an unacceptable level
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I don’t really understand the habbit of making Ground RB BRs of helis and jets higher than the BR cap of ground vehicles. Its makes them impossible to use.
I’d also request BR reduction of the dumb-bomb only Tornados by -0.3 BR. Its just neccessary. Their current BR is too high and they can’t compete to reach bases before other do and bomb them. Its always the last to arrive. Its air to air capabilities are super meh as well… Its BR need to be lower.
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What buff does it even need??? Its capabilities make it literally as good as a 6.0 strike aircraft, being able to bomb bases with a single loadout and having tons of ammo while maintaining a high speed still comparable to an early jet (sea level straightline speed is literally 650 km/h). Not to mention it still has its airspawn for some reason. A vehicle should be judged according to its capabilities in its own role.
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Its outer cheek armour is actually pretty good – up to ~600mm:
Its inner cheek armour is okay, but isn’t great – around 400mm:
Its Breech is around 200mm thick, though the breech area is smaller than that of the Type 90’s:
For comparison (Type 90’s):
What’s funny is that the 10.7s Abrams can’t pen the breech of the Type 90.
In general, the TKX (P) has stronger strongpoints (turret cheeks) and smaller (albeit weaker) weakpoints (breech) for the turret. I’d say it’s better overall.
The lower UFP of the TKX (P) is worth around ~600-570mm, which is enough to block most, if not, all MBT rounds at 10.3-11.3 – even most from 11.7 and 12.0:
For comparison (Type 90’s):
Seems to only be around 430-410mm, which is still great for a ‘no-armour’ MBT.
The Upper UFP of the TKX (P) also is steeper, which can sometimes be trolly enough to ricochet APFSDS:
For comparison (Type 90’s):
Its a post war super prop. Its BR should be around 6.0 to 7.0. Something in between. You really need a jet to intercept them and its loadout makes it a very tough striker (comparable to Skyraiders etc).
Its BR is too low. No one can cope with its speed + airspawn + bombloadout.
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Nah I’m saying it doesn’t matter because I can’t change it anyways
3x 1000lb on 7.0 seems bit too high
Wyvern don’t have payload of A2D
How about removing air spawn just like XP-50?
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AMX-32 (105)
9.3 → 8.7
Reason: This tank has been in a bad BR spot for a long time. It gets outaccelerated by nearly anything. Its armor is only good against autocannons (it’s not protected even against chemical rounds), its mobility is below average, it’s not small enough to hide well and its reload is just average. Even the cannon is not that strong, having just average pen compared to its peers. At 8.7, it could still be defeated when not careful, but it would have a more even competition and would also give the 8.7 French line-up an actually stabilized vehicle.
Other solution: Decrease its reload time, so that there’s a reason to use it instead of the AMX-32 (120) that does everything this vehicle does, but better. It has also been mentioned in its own devblog that the 105mm is supposed to fire faster than the 120mm cannon, but they have the exact same reload rate in-game.
Devblog proof:
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The only real bad ammo being used is in a full downtier or some USSR APHE slinger. 8.7+ is all fine except maybe the 803/MBT. Almost all 9.3 mediums have thermals and the exact same dart, DM33.
So other 9.3s have the same dart, thermals and for the most part, better mobility. So the argument for it going up in BR is that its gun turns faster and it has troll armour (the engine can eat rounds sometimes) and a boarderline useless LWS. That’s it?
All the T72’s, AMX Super, OF-40 MCTA, ZTZ96, Olifant 2, AMX 32, and Khalid that have similar stats or better and better winrates, some even have better darts and mobility are all fine at 9.3?
8.7 is way too low.
9.0 is stretching it.
It has thermals and ESS, as well as a great dart if it were 9.0.
For reference, the T-55AM1, T-62M1, and M60 TTS will / are all at that battle rating.
Its mobility is better than any of those too.
I would rather be in a AMX-32 105 than any of the other 9.0s in pretty much all cases (asides from the Obj 279, and maybe the OF-40 Mk.2).
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Wyvern has enough payload to bomb atleast 1 base then with additional 16x rockets, go for fortified ground targets. What it has over the A2D is the straightline speed that can reach 650 km/h and keep it like that at sea level. At its current BR, even good BnZ fighters have a hard time catching up to it and if the Wyvern player plays carefully, it can also avoid all of such situations. 6.0 would be fine for it atleast, since it would have a much more fair competition while still being able to do its job fine. I do agree tho that 7.0 is too much.
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I think 9.7 is fine for both Merkavas (I don’t know why Merkava Mk.2D is worth 0.3 BR higher than the 2B).
The Olifant Mk.2, AMX-32, Gal Batash / Magach 7C, KPZ-70, CM11, and OF-40 MTCA should probably all go to 9.7 too.
The T-72A could stay at 9.3 since it doesn’t really offer anything special other than good turret armour, and good hull armour in downtiers. Its round is just about as good as 105mm DM23.
It is a very good plane dont get me wrong.
But the only reason people struggle against the rafale is because of the mica offbore, and trying to hold S in every single dogfight against it. But the rafale wipes you there. If you keep distance and dont try to go into every fight with brain off and one cirlce, you can deal with it just like with any other plane!
If you do BVR against a rafale in a f15, euro or su30 you have a great advantage! So its pretty much forced to play a rat role cause it struggles at height due to lower range missiles and not infinite CM’s and its very good at playing the rat. So no the rafale is not way better than a f15E or euro. US planes had the advantage for a while with the f15C and E and they still do but just at close range the rafale beats it. but that doesnt mean its OP and needs to be nerf/moved up!
Just let a plane or tank be good at a specific role just like how the f15E and euro are very dominant at BVR!
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The mobility of the AMX-32 (105) is below average, the vehicle accelerates slowly and has a hard time reaching speeds higher than 40 km/h (also bleeds tons of speed in a slight turn). It definitely doesn’t have the mobility that is adequate for a vehicle that literally dies the moment it gets hit. I’d argue that even the T-55AM-1 (the vehicle I played alot and can tell from my experience) has a far more consistent mobility while still having good protection atleast. Its upgunned brother, the AMX-32 (120) already has much more consistent speed.
The thermal is only 1st gen that I only use in very rare cases, because more often than not, it’s more hindering. Also doesn’t help that the vehicle only has 10.0x gunner zoom, lowering the effectiveness of thermals in the first place.
ESS is literally meaningless in a BR where every single vehicle has thermals to counter it and even then, it’s more situational than smoke grenades.
The dart is literally the only good thing about the vehicle and again, at its BR, it’s only average. Atleast at 8.7, it could actually stand out in that way.
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It also doesn’t have any zoom
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