so basically Sdkfz 234/2 has no right to go up in br
M18s also shouldnt go up
WHY are bmp1s going up to 8.0 ?
also how much do you hate british vehicles that the only enjoyable vehicle they have will go to 7.7 for no reason
and for the plane changes how about raise the Br and push the planes up instead of making 7.0-7.3 planes unplayable?
Please move the t32 to 7.0 and the t32e1 to 7.3
As someone who plays a ton of 7.0 Britain way before they added the fox, i didn’t even bother bringing the tortoise in that line up after a bit despite there being only 2 7.0s. I brought 6.3s like the charioteer instead. It can stay at 6.7
The Conc doesn’t have heatfs.
The reason the 17pdr tanks are lower is they have no explosive filler. They also have 1 less crew.
You didn’t move a single British or French (and im sure more) plane between 7.0 and 9.0.
People have already been calling for many of these aircraft to be adjusted down and yet you move the perfectly capable and largely well balanced aircraft down and ignore these already struggling aircraft.
For the air changes these need to be completely redone, from the ground up.
A br bump to a maximum of 13.0 is also needed at a minimum particularly if Fox-3s are to come as commonplace in the next major update.
reduce the Ariete in SIM to 8.7
It shares the same stats as the Sagitario 2 at 8.0 with the single advantage of another engine so it accelerates better.
At 9.0 it faces planes that are it’s equal in speed and manoeuvrability but now facing missiles with no flares. At 9.3+ it is totally outclassed.
You previously increased it’s BR by 0.7 in 1 go… this was too much.
If you make a suggestion for BR changes in sim they shut it down ‘wait for the next BR changes’… and then don’t include them anyway, or just ignore suggestions.
Gaijin are only consistent in their inconsistency.
Yeah sim needs another solid look at. most of these are pretty good - though there are a few that i dont agree with all due to the same reason that while they might not be strictly the best jet at their current br, if they fought anything lower they would simply just start stomping lobbies. These being the AJ37 and F1C’s. They have such a massive advantage compared to 9.7-10.3 or 11.0 stuff in either flight performance, avionics/defenses systems or weapons that the proposed competition will simply no longer be viable.
I can sympathise with the frogfoot & harrier down tier - its often a suffering experience playing slow cas at this br but i dont think it would be necessary. They have ample weapons to do their job and a generational advantage in air to air weapons to defend themselves with, unmolested they can win matches in short order with their good ground pounding capability. I think a more worthy contender for going down a step to 11.0 would be the su25BM as while it does have the air to air weapons it’s air to ground ordinance is more equivalent to a 10-10.7 loadout and certainly lacks similar capabilities of the other frogs or most cas at 11.3.
Another one i would add is the j35 draken currently at 9.7, that should be at 10.0 with other pure fighters which have a generational step up in flight performance and weapons to match such as the mig21s r-13-300 which sits at 10.0 currently - having drakens face sabers and mig15/17’s is asinine. You could potentially throw in the 9.7 104’s in that category too now i think of it.
Thats all i can think of for now.
Oh I have played Tiger UHT.
Unlike you.
So, kindly, YOU go play it a little bit more before making judgment.
Kinda funny with the YOU play more thing, has anyone Popcorn?
Joke aside, the UHT is not 10.0/10.7 Material but also not 11.7 worth, I vote for 11.3
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These changes once again show that statistic based matchmaking is not working for a game as intricate as War Thunder and that Player feedback from GOOD; AND ONLY GOOD players needs to be looked at along with statistics.
I don’t want to exclude players with low experience here, but it has been shown time and time again that balancing around the middle of the bell curve (the average) is going to lead to situations where people with high skill levels can simply exploit broken features.
I see that basically all 8.3-9.3 Sabres and Migs get downtiered, but that is not because the planes themselves are bad, but rather because they get farmed by planes with R60s, Aim-9Ds and so on. Hell, if you are unlucky you can face an A-10A late in your CL13, you can’t outskill an Aim-9L. This is a hard feat for any player regardless of skill level, but that is not a CL13 issue, it’s the A10 being to low of a tier.
Please, for the love of god, start getting feedback from your player base before pushing these nonsensical changes.
What about aircrafts such as Su-25T, Su-39, Su-25SM3 and Su-25BM? they are completely outcompeted at their current BR and cannot even do their ground attack duties and really need to be adjusted down. They are Free RP to every enemy. They have some better ground attack ordnance than the 10.0 Su-25 but in Air battles this is not relevant. So it is very hard to understand why they have such a significantly higher BR than 10.0 (11.3/7 is insane for these aircraft!).
I think they would be in a much more fair position at a BR of 10.7 especially considering a aircraft such as the A-6E TRAM is at 10.3 with AIM-9L, a similar (slow) top speed and actually has more plentiful guided ordnance for its role as a ground attacking aircraft
Lmao.
Bruh, not like they are currently the top CAS you can have or so… oh wait
I would also love to see following vehicles also get BR changes:
1st: Object 292 increased to 10.3 // It has proven to be extremely strong at it’s BR to facilitate a increase to at least 10.3 if not 10.7. That may also be done at a later date but it has shown it is more than strong enough to be moved up to 10.3.
2nd: 2S38 moved to at least 10.7 // This is long overdue already… the 2S38 is just far too capable of a vehicle to be at 10.0. It can do anything that a 11.0 IFV / Light Tank can but is still only at 10.0?
3rd: T-80UD moved to 10.3 // It basically has 11.3 armor at 10.0 just because of the mobility? It’s armor is more than suited to fight 10.3 where it should be.
Some other things I’d like adressed:
Roland 1 going to 9.7, Fair suggestion but what about the American XM 975 and German FlaRakPz1?
I understand the french one being lower due to the only 60° of Gun elevation but the armament of at best Roland 3s has been increadibly weak since the Missile Inertia changes. This would also facilitate a drop in BR for those vehicles as well.
Mig 17 going to 8.7 is a beatiful change that will breathe some life back into the Airframe again.
What about the Cuban Mig 17 AS? It is just as defenseless as the normal Mig 17 with the difference being the offensive armament of 2x R3S. I understand there needing to be a difference due to the capabilities but as of now they are at the exact same BR so why not move it along to 8.7 as well?
It is also beatiful to see the F86F30s going down to 8.3 but what about the 1 chinese 2 Japanese F-86F-40 variants still at 9.0? They fall into the same boat of not being properly competetive at their respective BR. I also see enough Reason for those also being moved down to 8.7 to give them a proper fighting chance again.
That about wraps it up.
I hope people agree with me on my last 3 suggestions at least.
I wish everyone a great rest of their day!
They are directly comparable to american aircraft which sit an entire BR lower. The R-73 missile is not the “i win button” redditors like to believe. It is much more comparable to AIM-9L than AIM-9M
A-6E doesn’t have 15km+ ranged missiles like the SM3, and since Gaijin limited LGBs to sub & transonic speeds, their range grew smaller for all platforms.
If anything, it’s the A-6E that should be moved up, not Su-25s moved down (and definitely not the SM3, seeing as it’s objectively superior to the Tornado IDS’s that are at 11.3 in every way that isn’t top speed & acceleration).
Tell me you have no idea without telling me you have no idea
I believe the fix for this issue will come when we reach the point of the Roadmap where BRs for these High / Top Tier Attackers will be different from AIR Game Modes compared to Ground, otherwise it will just make the Tankers even more unhappy than they already are in the current situation. I really can’t agree on any of those Planes going down as they are far too strong against Ground Units already. It is a beatiful challenge to be in the BM and fight SAMs at Ranges they can fight back at. The SM3 is a whole different Can of Worms for it’s objectively unfair Range in GRB.
Absolutely agree on all of your points.
Gaijin please explain how the current 7.0-8.3 aircraft are going to function at all with these rb changes, the uptiers will be common and extreme. You will frequently have early saber and mig’s fighting much more advanced afterburning variants, f84’s fighting bloody mig17’s and props fighting mig15bis variants for god sake. This is yet another case of shortsighted decompression in one br area that absolutely shafts another - we’ve had this done many times by now and it always is the same result. You cannot decompress things properly without increasing the amount of available br steps, either increase the top cap by at least a full br bracket to 13.7 minimum or add an additional br step such as 0.5.
I understand its a difficult thing to manage as u must balance all vehicle types across each br for mixed play but it must be done for any further decompression efforts to actually work as intended - there are simply too many vehicles, particularly aircraft to properly balance with our current br limits. Also please pay attention to comments regarding sim br balancing as there are many things that need to be addressed there as well but no proposed sim changes at all.
