do something about the J-7D please, it hurts
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Air RB
Ayit
9.3 → 9.7
AIM-9D and AGM-65A missiles are far too powerful for 9.3 BR. None of the other attackers at 9.3 or 9.7 can carry so many guided fire-and-forget weapons. Its flight performance makes it significantly better in a dogfight than most.
Mystere IV (all), A-4B, Venom FB.4, FJ-4B, Me 163 B-0, Buccaneer S.1, G.91R (all)
8.7 → 8.3
F-84F (all), B-57A/B, Canberra B.2/6, Javelin FAW.9
8.3 → 8.0
Vampire (all), Sea Hawk (all), Il-28 (all)
8.0 → 7.7
All these aircraft are basically helpless against the CL-13s and MiG-17s being reduced in BR. These should go down too.
Overall we should be lifting the BR ceiling, not compressing low rank jets more!
I like the ground changes though :)
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If you’re selfish and enjoy stomping other players, then this BR change to 8.0 for the MIG15 and MIG15BISH is good. - But not good for the people playing 7.0.
If you’re someone that can think logically and understand the game, you will know that 7.0, 7.3, 7.7 are now all terrible to play if someone like myself decide to abuse the mig15bish at 8.0.
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Lowering things is currently not the answer. it’s about understanding where the problem for these jets lies, Is it the players? Are they too high in BR? or are planes around them too low in BR?
The answer is the jets that are 9.3 and 9.7 are too low in BR. F104, all Mig21 variants, Mig19, F100, Lightning are all too low in BR.
Also jets that are 10.0 and 10.3 are too low in BR.
So the simple answer would be why not move those jets higher? Well, Gaijin are reluctant to do that because It means they will face 30G rear aspect missiles + early radar missiles. Which they cannot counter at all. Also they already face all aspect missiles that are at the lowest BR of 10.0.
So what can be done? Well, The all aspect missile carriers are too low, they need to be put further up in BR which honestly at this point should be something like 10.7+. There are subsonic jets at 9.3 that do not even have flares that face all aspect missiles at the moment and it’s pretty tragic that this is the way the game has become.
This would also mean that the 11.0 and 11.3 radar missile carrying aircraft would also need to be put up in BR… but then this would mean that the higher performing aircraft like the F16, Mig29 would need to be put up in BR also… which would then mean that the top tier jets like the F15, F16C, SU27, Mirage 4000 would also need to be put up even higher.
The top BR should not be 12.7, It should be 14+ right now to create room at lower battle ratings for decompression. This has been the case since i can remember but Gaijin seem really reluctant to put in the work to get this done.
If you create space, you can balance aircraft better. It’s not really rocket science, it just takes some understanding of the game to work out what should be facing what. it means a complete re-shuffle around which Gaijin just seem so reluctant to do.
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I disagree with the KV-1s moving up, except the B and E variants. They aren’t difficult to deal with at their own br and already get completely obliterated in an uptier.
For the A-6E I don’t think it should go up with our current compression. For ground rb, even though you have longer ranged munitions, its lack of speed makes it so you have to get closer to the battlefield since you can’t lob the bombs as far. Defensively it can’t really dodge Stingers or Rolands because it bricks up at like 850kph and is fully unresponsive at 950.
My thoughts:
- Use of vehicles schould have more impact on balancing vehicles, there are vehicles which i see once per 20 battles and then vehicles which you can see multiple in every battle and many of this vehicles are like that because of balance.
- Change the helicopter in GSB, being able to spawn with full load at start of the battle 3-4 km away is ruining the experience…
- Ground vehicles (Realistic battles)
3.1 USA
- M18s (stay 5.7) - I hate this vehicle but i dont see any reason to put it higher, it will just break lineups and change nothing at all
- T26E5,T26E1,T34 (6.7 > 7.0) - much better versions of M26 at same BR make no sence to me also too much vehicles at 6.7 while only 2 at 7.0 can create better diversity at lineups and this vehicles are good enought to support that
- XM1(GM) (9.3 > 9.0) - it was changed a lot and the changes was never reflected in BR, the shell is so weak that speed and gun handling cannot compensate it at this BR
3.2 Germany - M48A2 G A2 (8.3 >8.0) - Non stabilized tanks schould not be that high in BR, reaction time is starting to be very important at this BRs, also most of the maps are small and using your powerfull gun at longer ranges is almost impossible
3.3 USSR - T55AMD-1 (8.7 >9.0) - Best version of T55, APS have much more impact at this BR because most of ATGMs start here, also its most played tank at this BR together with premium AM-1 they dominate
- 2S25M (10.0 - 10.7) - Very fast vehicle with recently added 3BM60, only thing this vehicle lacks is armor.
3.4 Great Britain - Rooikat Mk.1D (8.3>8.0) - Gun of this vehicle is unreliable, damage is almost nothing its just fast which can be tricky to balance but it deserve some love
- Falcon (8.3>7.3) - just take away APDS belt, the gap is too wide best UK lineups are withouth good SPAA, at the end when new SPAA will be introduced later it can be changed back
- Challenger 2 (11.3>10.7) 2F/2TES(11.3>11.0) BN/2E (11.7>11.3 replace starting ammunition L23A1>L26) - Worst MBT out there all of them lack survivability, speed, reload speed, they are good only in 1 thing, sniping hulldown at long distances but with lack of enough big maps its also useless
3.5 France - Char 25t/AMX-50 TO90/930 (8.0 > 7.3) - changing reload speed was nice change but putting it at 8.0 make this vehicles so useless, they would be worst vehicles at 7.7… , no mobility, penetration, gun handling
- AMX 30 (1972) (8.0>7.7) - No stabilization, only heats, average mobility when i compare it to Leopard 1 which i enjoy a lot this is just worse version of it.
- AMX 30B2/B2 BRENUS (8.7 > 8.3) - I dont understand how this vehicles are at same BR to T55AM/AMD, no stabilization makes this vehicles really hard to play most engagements is lost and you cant do nothing with it. Small maps also takes another possibilities to play this vehicles at theirs best.
4.0 Aviation (Realistic battles)
4.1 USSR - Mig 29SMT (12.7>12.3) - It has the worst flight performance of top tier aircrafts even the F15 are supperior to it.
- TU-4/B29 (8.0>7.7) As i enjoy to shot them down with Aim-9B they schould be lower so its not happening that often and this vehicles are actually playable
4.2 Great Britain - Spitfire F Mk.24 (7.0>6.7) Together with P51H they both schould be 6.7, similar performance with every aspect of these planes and 7.0 is just too high starting to be jet territory
- Hunter F1(9.0>8.7) FGA9(9.3>9.0) F6(9.7>9.3) - when this aircrafts come they were among the best now nobody playes them because they suck thanks to addition of all-aspect missles
4.3 Italy - Re 2005 Serie 0 (6.0>5.3) - it has same stats as 4.3 aircrafts yet its 6.0 where it cant do anything until enemy decide to throw his brain out, it cant catch bombers at these BRs that schould say enough
4.4 France - Vautour all(9.0>8.0) - lack of air spawn make this bombers obsolete so with this huge nerf BR adjustment schould be at place
4.5 Izrael - A-4N Ayit (9.3>9.7) - Best A4 with powerfull AA missles and best AG weaponery
- AH-60 (11.3>11.7) - 16 spikes with ability to take hellfires, stigers and together with good optics this have no place at lower BR than top.
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So basically there was no point in make top top BR 12.7 then right? Because you’re not compressing 9.0 even more.
So basically admitting that the game is completely compressed and the 12.7 band aid over an axe wound was just a distraction.
We need 14.0+ now it’s not even funny anymore.
I don’t think the Chinese Q-5A ground attack aircraft deserves to be in 9.3
It is an attacker that only has speed and a ballistic computer, there are other planes like the A-4E with guided bombs, sidewinder missiles and bomb launching assistance that are at 8.7
If the Q-5A had air defense in the form of guided missiles then I would agree with the increase in battle rating to 9.3 but the lack of guided weapons in both bombs and AA missiles makes it 9.0 Similar to the Etendard, to the A-4E or the Swedish A32A
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Those are good, but not 7.0 good. If those go to 7.0, every other 6.7 (Like the Tiger II H needs to up too.
I’d rather have it get a better round like M774 than go down.
7.7 would be better, but I wouldn’t complain about them going even lower.
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My suggestions:
F-16A “Netz” 12.3 → 12.0
I still have no idea what it is still doing at 12.3. Netz doesn’t have any kind of BVR, no HMD/HMS, only 60 countermeasures, no IRCCM missiles, just 6x Python-3 that are super easy to flare.
Let’s compare it with another 12.3 aircraft - F-15A/J. Obviously F-15 has strong BVR capabilities, no HMD/HMS either, but it has 200 countermeasures and IRCCM missiles such as AIM-9M/AAM-3.
And still, even without comparing it to F-15, Netz is just a F-16A Block 10 with Python-3, a 40G non-IRCCM missile, which behaves much like AIM-9L with a little bit more range and speed, but it is still very easy to flare, and on full uptiers (12.7) it’s almost impossible to hit anything with it.
M1A2 SEP, M1A2 SEPv2 - implementation of M829A3 round.
US top tier is still at a horrible state. Bad players, unforgivable tanks make for 38% winrate USA has at top tier. While both Russia and Germany got spall liners on their top tanks (T-90M, 2A7V), which makes these tanks very hard to kill, Abrams sits behind with a huge turret ring weakspot, no hull armor and no spall liner.
Implementation of M829A3 round would hopefully make it more effective and easy to use in point blank scenarios, where with Abrams you have to precisely aim for small 2A7V/T-90M weakspots, and these two can just shoot without aiming and still heavily damaging/destroying Abrams.
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I hope gaijin decrease BR to 6.7 for Spitfire F Mk.24 this month like 3 or 4 years ago
This gaijin should be considered extend max BR to 12.0 or 12.3 for main battle tank top tier before add new APFSDS
Uh-huh, In fact F-16A Block 10 Netz very good turn fight 1 vs 1 tactic but can’t compare another 12.3 fighter aircraft with IRCCM IR AAM & MRAAM, I might agree F-16A Netz down to 12.0 like 2 years ago
I say, we raise the top BR for ground, air and naval, without adding any new vehicles
You know
Decompression
13.7 new top tier air
13.0 new top tier ground
8.3 new top tier naval
That way, everything could be spread out, instead of situations like this, where a MiG-15 can face Me-262s, or have to face F-100’s
Idk
Maybe having massive capability differences with only a 1.7 br difference is a massive flaw in how the game is played?
We need decompression
REAL decompression
Not decompressing slightly after compressing it again after adding a new aircraft or tank to top tier that has better capabilities
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I’d be all for reducing it’s LGB count and keeping it at 10.3, but they’re not going to do that bc of this weird “historical” fetish.
It technically has a ground lineup at 10.7, by taking your 10.3 lineup and putting the KF41 in it. it’s not ideal, but there isn’t a huge difference in matches of 10.3 and 10.7 lineups anyway. you usually end up in 11.0 matches. When playing 10.7 china, it’s very rare to go up to 11.7, as those are usually sucked up into 12.0-12.3 plane ranges. after all, there can only be 4 top tier players per team, and alot of people play 11.7.
I don’t have many complaints with the new Br’s but i still have some.
The Fox
I don’t think it’s fair to put the fox up to 7.7 a jump of 2 BR’s. The power of the fox is that it is fast/mobile and it has a decent gun. I get that the vehicle is good but I don’t think it’s that good. I think a Br of 7.3 is fair enough.
The 2S38
I am sad to see that the 2S38 slipped by the Br changes again. Its by far the most powerful vehicle and 10.0 it’s capabilities are far too powerful for the Br. It’s decent mobility, unmanned turret, amazing gun with ammunition for every situation and lock on capability make it a force to be reckoned with. Getting a k/d of 2 or higher is not a difficult task. It’s fine for 10.7 or at least 10.3.
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The 20pndr cents were 6.7 before APDS lol
And the 20pndr is an exceptional gun if you use it decently.
Also, if you were to read just half a sentence longer, you’d see that I do not wish for the Caernavorn to go up, nor the Cent Mk 3 for that matter. However, the Mk 5/1 which is a direct upgrade of the Mk 3 should definitely, as should the undertiered 4202.
Shell shatter is a skill issue from poor aim. Aim at less complex geometries and it will never happen. It also happens less often than you think - that’s just basic negativity bias.
I wasn’t even saying anything about the BR change. I just find the argument “X must have a hard counter” weird because it isn’t fun to play when something hard counters you, not having a chance to beat it at a vaguely similar skill level.
In an optimal game state there wouldn’t be any hard counters in the BR range, just things that are equal, or have an advantage/disadvantage in specific situations, but not something that is better at everything.
What awful suggestions. I wonder what nation you could possibly main…
True, i dont know much about air balance. I’d just guess it gets stomped in an uptier and that’s why it goes down, which is yet again a false response from gaijin.
They should honestly increase the max BR with every BR change update until everything is decompressed. I understand if they don’t wanna go to 14+ in one update but they should at least go one step higher every BR change update…
horrible, ruins so many lineups, and makes early jets even worse. What the hell.
Yes you believe, because you don’t fly sim. Flares don’t mean anything there. 12 high caliber flares are more than enough. Even 6 would be enough for the rare occasion where you have a chance to use them. There should be no all aspect missiles at 10.3 sim except maybe planes with abysmal flight performance.
Snail doesn’t disagree. This is exactly the reason why Su-17M3 is at 10.7. I just don’t want them to make the mistake of forgetting to adjust the BR of this better aircraft.