This change should work on the T-80UD, but im not really sure about it. Let’s compare rougly that stated buff to the 90A.
90A will have a better dart, has LWS/LR. Because of this means that the 90A should be 11.0 aswell ?
6.0 being the new 5.7 when are you going to raise ground BR to 12.7 so you can unjam 8.0-10.0 and raise 7.0 to 7.7 so we can see an actual early Cold War BR?
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Always.
I dont like this change overall, but compared to the other CAS option at 10.7, that being the Su-22M3 and F-104G, nah, id keep the AMX. Stock R-60Ms cant mean much in GRB anyways.
Both use limited APDS belts while the DCA has the universal belt. What lineup did you even want to play at 8.3 with the Brenus at 8.7 now? There’s little change with this choice.
Uh I forgot about the T-90A. Perhaps to 10.7 as well, since I also forgot about the UM2 which can reverse and has APS. Still, Russia 10.7 is underrated I guess, and some changes that places vehicles that should be 10.7(OBJ292) there might have some effect. T-90A and 2S6 already presents a good package but its just not attractive compared to 11.0.
Italian G.91 series and F.104 still unplayable it seems, how’s it possible that mig 17 the absolute beast gets lower BR while this flying trashcan G.91YS is at 9.7?
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its less the fact the vampire is 8.0 (which it is) its more the fact its held to the same standard as the export Vampires which have 1330 KGF of engine thrust stock while the FB5 has 1290 KGF SPADED which is a significant performance increase when the export ones are spaded with a significantly better engine, with everything else being the same
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I could just quote this and leave it there, 'cause you say this but then you tunnel vision on the penetration of the 17pdr while dismissing all other aspects of the Firefly and the 76mm Shermans, as if the Firefly will always be in the perfect position to fire the first shot on an unaware opponent, and no other scenario could possibly occur.
Factors like gun depression (which dictates which positions you can and can’t use), gun handling (which dictates how quickly you can get your gun on target), short stabilisers (which increase the speed you can react at (and also improve gun handling)), and post pen damage (which can let you move on to the next target quicker while firing fewer rounds) all roll together to give the 76mm Shermans a higher BR than the Fireflies as they’re more usable for the general playerbase.
And while I’m here, you say all 77mm armed tanks should go up too, but that’s only the Concept 3 and the Comet. You ommitted both from your reasoning section, which I’m not surprised at as the 77mm Shot Mk.8 has basically identical penetration to the 76mm M62 round. The comet can use sabot, sure, but the post-pen is poor at best, the accuracy is awful, and since it’s early sabot it likes to shatter. The reload is also excessive, 9.6s base while the Firefly gets 7.6s and the Challenger 6.7s. The Concept does get the 7.6s base reload, but doesn’t get Sabot and has abysmal gun handling.
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I actually dont know that. But the FB.52A already struggles to keep up its speed at 8.0, they should get a drop overall. With less and less player playing early jets, people who knew the thing will began to energy trap the vampire more often and defeat it that way.
Hence I think in the future probably before X-MAS, the vehicle will get a BR drop. Its energy management is just too bad at the BR.
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was talking bout su11 tho
The anti-everything crewless turret SPAA with access to 200+ rounds of APFSDS is not “fine”.
If Gaijin chooses to model it after it’s real life purpose and limit its ammo load the same as they do with the OTOMATIC then maybe it can sit at 10.0, as it stands it can shoot through the front of any armor it comes against with ease. Even when taking it up to 11.7 the only thing it struggles with is the Leo 2A7 / STRV 122Bs as they have a reinforced front LFP / UFP. It can still easily blast their turret breech though something no other IFV is afforded.
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Imho Mig-15 has a much better performance compared to the other planes in its br.
Laughs in TTD and its anti-autocannon armor
What 2S38?
Yeah I do think its a bit overpowered stat wise but I rarely had a problem fighting it
I would like the see the SU-22M3 go down .3 at least.
Even with the all aspect IR - it’s not very well placed. It lacks radar, has poor maneuverability (it’s like a really shitty MiG-23 but with the potential to fight the MiG-23 lol).
I’m not much got Russia but I don’t think it’s placed in a good area. Especially when it’s going up against the F-4S and MiG-23 fairly often.
he says against a reply against your reply saying the Vampire was the able to tail the ‘fastest plane in the 7.0-8.0 bracket’
Su-22M3 is indeed more of a 10.3 material, but then the problem goes to the Su-17M2, which has no flares and worse A2G weaponries, but if we move the Su-17M2 down to 10.0 there is the problem of comparing them to the MiG-23BN which is just one increment below it, and if we move the MiG-23BN down to 9.3 then what about G.91Y? Its more of a compression issue, but Id say the Su-22M3 isnt the best 10.7 too, at least as CAS.
Can we get at least some sort of explanation as to why our concerns regarding 2s38 and 292 are ignored as if the player base is completely OK with their current BR status.
Gaijin Devs, brake the silence from your side. This is just disrespectful at this point
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It is fine it can do everything the cv90 can do while the cvs have better survivability and protection being frontally immune to 30mm and besides the crewless turret can be overpressured by HEAT-FS now
Well, in your opinion… but if its performing bad enough overall so the statistics want it to go down?
Probably just a “decompression would’ve been better” thing tbh