Planned Battle Rating changes for April 2024

[Master_Teaz]

@OliverXRed

• Venom FB.4
  8.7 → 8.3

Same reason as the Vampire FB 5, but is even more extreme, being a lot higher BR.

When i was spading the venom i found it quite fun, its everything the vampire tries to be, its not hte best 8.7 but it surely is competent though 8.3 would be nice

@OliverXRed

• Vampire FB 5
  8.0 → 7.7

While it can be powerful, it will only do so, if the enemy jets chooses to engage it in a turn fight. The thing is, at this BR, most people knows that turnfighting is not advantageous, so it happens in a blue moon. It doesn’t have the thrust to wight ratio to be able to fight like jets usually do. It is litterally a plane that was designed to fight in WW2.

desperately needed, it might even be able to go to 7.3 and be fine, after spading all but 3 UK tech tree vehicles it is the most painful to spade (and i include the Stirlings and Firebrand in that list)

@OliverXRed

• Spitfire Mk 22
  6.7 → 6.3
• Spitfire Mk 24
  7.0 → 6.7

Have been sitting overtiered for quite a while now. While the Mk 24 can perform well against jets, it mostly does so when the jets makes mistakes and loose all their energy.

its more the fact that the 24 is 0.7 higher than the P-51H despite beign roughly equivalent, though it is a bit miserable at 7.0 getting 8.0 games, but it is great in a downteir, and the 22 is find at 6.7 imo it could go down but its just a 24 with less engine power which made it 6.7 in th efirst place but yet again the 6.7 MM is much better than the 7.0 MM

@OliverXRed

• Hunter F.1
  9.0 → 8.7

A sub-sonic jet that is only armed with cannons. It can nearly not do anything against what it faces. It is also very similar to the other 9.0 jets that are being moved down.

the Hunter F.1 is ok but it needs to be played very carefully, 8.7 would be more than welcome

@OliverXRed

• Hunter F.6
  9.7 → 9.3

A sub-sonic jet that have not flares, while having to fight super sonic jets that have all aspect missiles available. It is to some extent similar in regards to also moving the 9.0 planes down in BR,

Flight performance wise it fixes most of what the F.1 lacked, it pulls harder and has a stronger engine, but its an SRAAM issue, 4 garunteed kills if you move it to 9.3 and then get a downtier

@OliverXRed

• Churchill I
  3.3 → 3.0

While it have armor, where the hull armor is probably better than the M4A3 (105), its turret is worse. At the same time it is a LOT slower and its gun is beyond useless at its BR.

• Churchill VII
  4.7 → 4.3

While it have the some of the best armor, at the same time, it can easily be killed by shooting the forehead of the turret. Its cannon cannot do anything at its BR other than really to track the enemies and maybe kill light tanks. You cannot shoot at weak spots, since it is using solid shot, so the most you will do is only maybe damage the enemy crew member behind the weakspot.

ive not used the chruchill 1 but i see the 2 pounder at 3.3 and no mobility with the useless 76 hull gun
and the churchill 7 is sad and include the croc with this, all its good as is surviving, but weakspots are prevalent and apart from that your just a shell barge

@OliverXRed

• Falcon
  8.3 → 7.7

Remove the APDS and move it down, since UK currently have 3 different SPAA at 8.3, and this one compared to the other two doesn’t have radar. At the same time there is a massive BR gap between Falcon and the Skink that is before it.

no, its one of the strongest BR for BR vehicles britain gets and provides utility nothing else in the UK tree can offer as of yet (Maybe after we get some more of our damned IFVs that havy something other than the Rarden), the 5.3 - 8.3 gap needs tobe filled, could be filled by a Blowpipe armed land rover which would not be too easy to use but would be a very competent SPAA in skilled hands but there isnt much that can truely close that gap, plus rovinging is APDS would remove its ability to melt Raketenautomats (such annoying fuckers) and Leo 1s and any other tank with armour but not thick armour

@OliverXRed

• Chieftain Mk 3
  8.7 → 8.3

Its not really able to perform well at its current BR, since its armor is rendered useless by the APFSDS it is facing, and the same time it doesn’t have the mobility to flank the enemies, since everything is a lot faster at the BR it is at.

Or give it its 5s reload

@tronexer

Only want the Chieftain reload buff this time around 5 seconds aced please

but it would be nice to add it to the 8.3 lineup, as it stands its equivalent to the vik 3

@OliverXRed

• FV102 Striker
  Add spotting

It is part of the CVR(T) family, where the R quite litterally stands for Reconnaissance. It is a scouting vehicle, that doens’t have the ability to scout.

its needed, the striker is so niche, with its minimum engagement range and having no autocannon armament, with the BMP-2 at 0.3 higher, and M3 Bradley and Warrior at the same BR, it would go down to match the Swingfire at current positon and move the swingfire to 7.7 or back to 7.3 also it does not make sense for this to be the end of line vehicle, swap it with the Warrior in the tech tree, especcially as the ZT3A2 is now now 8.3, would make more sense to folder it with the Swingfire though, being a direct upgrade

[Kanelikainalo-psn]

Way to piss off literally everyone once again lmao.

Except razer ofcourse.

[T-34_Tradwife]

Every single 5.0 tank can trivially deal with the M-51 by simply clicking on the UFP. It has the armour of a 3.3 tank.

The M-51 is not an overpowered vehicle. It might actually be the worst 6.0 in the game.

[rale79]

The AMX 30 dca doesn’t even have a stabilizer and it goes to 8.7 where tanks have had one already at 7.7… It looks like Gaijin wants to stop us from playing French tanks…

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[MokaMoki]

None of the M-18s need to go up. Especially the Super Hellcat. With up-tiers being a constant pain in this game, it has absolutely no business fighting 7.0 and 7.7 tanks. Absolutely against that.

[TyphoonCro]

Since nothing has changed regarding 2S38, I’ll just copy-paste my reply from previous BR changes

AB and RB
2S38
10.0 → 10.7
Why?
Great firepower and aircraft tracking which makes it jack of all trades to some extent by being both capable anti-tank and anti-aircraft due to APFSDS and HE-VT shells coupled with decent rate of fire.
In downtiers it’s not uncommon to see players in this vehicle rack up upwards to 10 kills because tanks in those BRs don’t have much armor (example being Leopard 1A5)

[Yamato_Kurosaki]

so basically Sdkfz 234/2 has no right to go up in br
M18s also shouldnt go up
WHY are bmp1s going up to 8.0 ?

also how much do you hate british vehicles that the only enjoyable vehicle they have will go to 7.7 for no reason

and for the plane changes how about raise the Br and push the planes up instead of making 7.0-7.3 planes unplayable?

[aircraft]

Please move the t32 to 7.0 and the t32e1 to 7.3

[NinjaScorp]

As someone who plays a ton of 7.0 Britain way before they added the fox, i didn’t even bother bringing the tortoise in that line up after a bit despite there being only 2 7.0s. I brought 6.3s like the charioteer instead. It can stay at 6.7

The Conc doesn’t have heatfs.

The reason the 17pdr tanks are lower is they have no explosive filler. They also have 1 less crew.

[Rileyy3437-live]

You didn’t move a single British or French (and im sure more) plane between 7.0 and 9.0.

People have already been calling for many of these aircraft to be adjusted down and yet you move the perfectly capable and largely well balanced aircraft down and ignore these already struggling aircraft.

For the air changes these need to be completely redone, from the ground up.

A br bump to a maximum of 13.0 is also needed at a minimum particularly if Fox-3s are to come as commonplace in the next major update.

[HeliBoy]

reduce the Ariete in SIM to 8.7

It shares the same stats as the Sagitario 2 at 8.0 with the single advantage of another engine so it accelerates better.

At 9.0 it faces planes that are it’s equal in speed and manoeuvrability but now facing missiles with no flares. At 9.3+ it is totally outclassed.

You previously increased it’s BR by 0.7 in 1 go… this was too much.

[HeliBoy]

If you make a suggestion for BR changes in sim they shut it down ‘wait for the next BR changes’… and then don’t include them anyway, or just ignore suggestions.

Gaijin are only consistent in their inconsistency.

[skilz2kil]

Yeah sim needs another solid look at. most of these are pretty good - though there are a few that i dont agree with all due to the same reason that while they might not be strictly the best jet at their current br, if they fought anything lower they would simply just start stomping lobbies. These being the AJ37 and F1C’s. They have such a massive advantage compared to 9.7-10.3 or 11.0 stuff in either flight performance, avionics/defenses systems or weapons that the proposed competition will simply no longer be viable.

I can sympathise with the frogfoot & harrier down tier - its often a suffering experience playing slow cas at this br but i dont think it would be necessary. They have ample weapons to do their job and a generational advantage in air to air weapons to defend themselves with, unmolested they can win matches in short order with their good ground pounding capability. I think a more worthy contender for going down a step to 11.0 would be the su25BM as while it does have the air to air weapons it’s air to ground ordinance is more equivalent to a 10-10.7 loadout and certainly lacks similar capabilities of the other frogs or most cas at 11.3.

Another one i would add is the j35 draken currently at 9.7, that should be at 10.0 with other pure fighters which have a generational step up in flight performance and weapons to match such as the mig21s r-13-300 which sits at 10.0 currently - having drakens face sabers and mig15/17’s is asinine. You could potentially throw in the 9.7 104’s in that category too now i think of it.

Thats all i can think of for now.

[Beeschurger]

@Karatekakerlake

I recommend playing it and tell me how good the experience was being a free kill for everyone.

Oh I have played Tiger UHT.

Unlike you.

So, kindly, YOU go play it a little bit more before making judgment.

[Dontkev-psn]

Kinda funny with the YOU play more thing, has anyone Popcorn?
Joke aside, the UHT is not 10.0/10.7 Material but also not 11.7 worth, I vote for 11.3
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[Grossaaaa]

These changes once again show that statistic based matchmaking is not working for a game as intricate as War Thunder and that Player feedback from GOOD; AND ONLY GOOD players needs to be looked at along with statistics.

I don’t want to exclude players with low experience here, but it has been shown time and time again that balancing around the middle of the bell curve (the average) is going to lead to situations where people with high skill levels can simply exploit broken features.

I see that basically all 8.3-9.3 Sabres and Migs get downtiered, but that is not because the planes themselves are bad, but rather because they get farmed by planes with R60s, Aim-9Ds and so on. Hell, if you are unlucky you can face an A-10A late in your CL13, you can’t outskill an Aim-9L. This is a hard feat for any player regardless of skill level, but that is not a CL13 issue, it’s the A10 being to low of a tier.

Please, for the love of god, start getting feedback from your player base before pushing these nonsensical changes.

[MesugakiNeko]

What about aircrafts such as Su-25T, Su-39, Su-25SM3 and Su-25BM? they are completely outcompeted at their current BR and cannot even do their ground attack duties and really need to be adjusted down. They are Free RP to every enemy. They have some better ground attack ordnance than the 10.0 Su-25 but in Air battles this is not relevant. So it is very hard to understand why they have such a significantly higher BR than 10.0 (11.3/7 is insane for these aircraft!).

I think they would be in a much more fair position at a BR of 10.7 especially considering a aircraft such as the A-6E TRAM is at 10.3 with AIM-9L, a similar (slow) top speed and actually has more plentiful guided ordnance for its role as a ground attacking aircraft

[Jεcka]

@ЛолиНеко

Su-25T, Su-39, Su-25SM3 and Su-25BM?

Lmao.

[Dontkev-psn]

@ЛолиНеко

What about aircrafts such as Su-25T, Su-39, Su-25SM3 and Su-25BM? they are completely outcompeted at their current BR and cannot even do their ground attack duties and really need to be adjusted down.

Bruh, not like they are currently the top CAS you can have or so… oh wait

[SoullessFlanker]

I would also love to see following vehicles also get BR changes:

1st: Object 292 increased to 10.3 // It has proven to be extremely strong at it’s BR to facilitate a increase to at least 10.3 if not 10.7. That may also be done at a later date but it has shown it is more than strong enough to be moved up to 10.3.
2nd: 2S38 moved to at least 10.7 // This is long overdue already… the 2S38 is just far too capable of a vehicle to be at 10.0. It can do anything that a 11.0 IFV / Light Tank can but is still only at 10.0?
3rd: T-80UD moved to 10.3 // It basically has 11.3 armor at 10.0 just because of the mobility? It’s armor is more than suited to fight 10.3 where it should be.

Some other things I’d like adressed:

Roland 1 going to 9.7, Fair suggestion but what about the American XM 975 and German FlaRakPz1?
I understand the french one being lower due to the only 60° of Gun elevation but the armament of at best Roland 3s has been increadibly weak since the Missile Inertia changes. This would also facilitate a drop in BR for those vehicles as well.

Mig 17 going to 8.7 is a beatiful change that will breathe some life back into the Airframe again.
What about the Cuban Mig 17 AS? It is just as defenseless as the normal Mig 17 with the difference being the offensive armament of 2x R3S. I understand there needing to be a difference due to the capabilities but as of now they are at the exact same BR so why not move it along to 8.7 as well?

It is also beatiful to see the F86F30s going down to 8.3 but what about the 1 chinese 2 Japanese F-86F-40 variants still at 9.0? They fall into the same boat of not being properly competetive at their respective BR. I also see enough Reason for those also being moved down to 8.7 to give them a proper fighting chance again.

That about wraps it up.
I hope people agree with me on my last 3 suggestions at least.
I wish everyone a great rest of their day!