Planned Battle Rating changes for April 2024

[Master_Teaz]

@WalletWorrier

Yes, if it takes more than 1 shot to disable a tank

you can often disable a tank in 1 shot but not kill, if it takes 2 shells for a kill with the fireflys reaload thats of 5.9 seconds for 5 shots (ready rack) which is 1 kill every 11.8 seconds, with that decreasing to (with i think it is a 1.5x reload multiplier) a kill every 17.7 seconds, the M4A3 has APHE and can still pen most of what it faces when in the same lobby as the Firefly (4.7-5.7) and has the same reload as the Firefly, at 5.9 seconds, so it can kill a tank evert 5.9 seconds, In addition it doesnt have a ready rack, so it can keep that 5.9 secodn reload for all 71 shells,

this matters cuase you can move onto the next target quicker, sitting there reloading to kill a target leaves you open to being shot by someone else you couldve shot if you didnt need to take 2 shots to kill

@WalletWorrier

The M4A2 has better armour only by removing the small weak spots.

meaning that the US 75 and russian 76mm cannot pen it without aiming for much smaller weak spots

@WalletWorrier

75mm ME to the 17 pounder with nearly triple the penetration!

75mm M3 M61 Shell : 104mm Penetration
17 Pndr Shot Mk.8: 190mm penetatration
Almost Double, Not Triple, if you are talking about the 17 Pnder APDS with 269mm pen, the firefly doesnt have that (bar the Italian one at 5.0) even then thats ingoring the woes of the 76mm APDS which either does no spall or just shatters

@WalletWorrier

I guarantee that the Firefly has a much better chance against any 5.7 than an M4A2 has against the firefly.

he says as he has a 1.21K/D in the M4A3 at 5.7 and a 1.2K/D in the 4.7 Firefly, meaning you do better in the M4A3 … a whole 1.0 Higher

And the Firefly haas the alrge wweak spots and APHE, shoot at the heatches and its a one shot for the M4A2 and has a 5.0 second reload top, and a short stop, while yes the 17 pounder is fairly efficient as dealing with shermans and will probabally kill in 1 shot aswell the time it takes for the gun to settle means the M4A2 could squeeze a shot in and kill the firefly before hand, but in the end, these are seperate BRs for a reason and a direct comparison 1v1 is by no means representative of the greater game senario, like the T-50 and Archer, yes the archer has the 17 pounder and at the same BR the T-50 is better in pretty much every way and much more useful in the game senario

[VF21_Freelancers]

lol You don’t know how MiG-15bis ISh is ALREADY cracked at 8.3.

And funny how it will move down to 8.0BR for somehow.

It is literally worse than 2014 jet matchmakers.

[i_Hunter91]

I think that there are missed vehicles that need help … and some that are over-performing such as the fuji . Please reconsider the merkava 2d to have a lineup at 9.3… this thing doesn’t deserve to be at 9.7 because playing Israel is a nightmare on its own. also, CV90105 is way over performing and should be at 10.3.

[N4CR]

Yeah it’s strange that tanks designed for 800m minimum engagement distance don’t work well on a majority of CQC, sniping/flanking removed maps?

WaterVaporKix
It’s becoming a pretty clear pattern these days. Funniest part was them upping BR of the recent French tank but not the superior premium version.

[Oxynium]

Ob292, T-80UD, 2S38 shouldn’t be anywhere close to 10.0, period

Also, please for the love of god decrease SPAA BRs across the board. All of them.

[Master_Teaz]

they already do, they even see MiG-17s and Lim-5s right now, Me 262 C at 8.0

[Dontkev-psn]

Since we have a Max BR of 12.7, for Aviation only(why?) Increase the max BR for Helis/Planes AND tanks to 12.7

[NeonPenguin6745]

Not all spaa, have you seen the ZSU-57-2? Only the ones that have only missiles or (relatively) low pen autocannons should be decreased in br. I don’t want to fight a full auto tank destroyer in my ww2 tank.

[Master_Teaz]

yeah no, its better than any 9.3 and still very competent at 9.7 as shown by your 1.59 K/D and for someone that cannot break a 1 K/D in the Bf 109 F-4 and F2G-1, id say its still more that 9.7 worthy

[SneedSellsFeed]

The Q-5 Early should have gone to 8.7 and the Q-5A should have stayed 9.0…
They lock up extremely past 1000km/h and have horrible performance outside of their acceleration, the Q-5A was the only good Q-5 because it had flares and now at 9.3, it’s useless.

I was gonna grind to rank 7 with it and as it is now DOA - going through rank 6 is going to be painful…

[Grievous_Player]

Why is CL-13 Mk4(italy) the same BR as F-86 F-30s?
It has the same engine and weapons as the F-86 A-5. The only difference is the BR. if the F-86 A-5 is going to be 8.0, shouldn’t the CL-13 Mk4 also be 8.0?If F-86 A-5 is still 8.3, then CL-13 Mk4 should also be 8.3.

Or do you hate Italy?

[Pytoo]

I think:
T72AV shoud be 10.3 > good thermals (gunner/comander) and a good enough ammunition
2S38 shoud be 11.3 > can the same things do but better than HSTVL and Otomatic both 11.3 already
BMP2M shoud be 10.7 > out performs all other IFVs in terms of fire power (has more or les the same survivebility and speed compared on 10.0) Object 292 shoud be 10.7 > best bullet pen in game with good damage, decent mobility and armor for its BR T80UD shoud be 10.3/10.7 > its like a Bishma TWMP with faster reload
KF41 shoud be 10.3 > idk why it is on 10.7, it ´s not better than other IVF´s armament wise an average 30mm and 4 Spikes like the Vilkas and the survivebility is average Israely AH-60 shoude be 11.7 > has Spikes and tured mounted 20mm, the USA version doesnt (like the france Tiger HAD is [11.0] and the Tiger HAD Block 2 is [11.7] because it has Spikes )

( only the vehicles I´m aware of and care)
in my opinion

[Mulatu_Astatke]

@WaretaGarasu

HOT-3 on the Mephisto

I think it’s really important to note that the current VAB modelled in-game is the upgraded variant from the early 2000s. Among other things, the dead giveaway is the tail lights:

Original VAB

Modernised VABs

VAB we have in-game

From a historical standpoint it makes no sense that the Mephisto isn’t using HOT-3s if they were being used (since 1993) well before it actually existed.

[MUXIAO]

I recommend
SPAA VEK40
RB 8.7-9.0

[LovacZvanTofu]

mystere IVA at 8.3 is deserved

[Karatekakerlake]

It even sucks in direct comparison to all the other choppers at the same BR. As I said its literally defenseless. Not to mention that PARS dont work the moment there is a leaf infront of the target. You have to expose yourself several seconds to ensure a kill by firing multiple missiles at the target. The seeker often times doesnt even acquire the correct target or wont even activate. It would be fine where it is if it had working PARS and self-defense capabilities which it has not.

I recommend playing it and tell me how good the experience was being a free kill for everyone. Not mentioning how map dependent it is.

[Bonrath]

[Master_Teaz]

@OliverXRed

• Venom FB.4
  8.7 → 8.3

Same reason as the Vampire FB 5, but is even more extreme, being a lot higher BR.

When i was spading the venom i found it quite fun, its everything the vampire tries to be, its not hte best 8.7 but it surely is competent though 8.3 would be nice

@OliverXRed

• Vampire FB 5
  8.0 → 7.7

While it can be powerful, it will only do so, if the enemy jets chooses to engage it in a turn fight. The thing is, at this BR, most people knows that turnfighting is not advantageous, so it happens in a blue moon. It doesn’t have the thrust to wight ratio to be able to fight like jets usually do. It is litterally a plane that was designed to fight in WW2.

desperately needed, it might even be able to go to 7.3 and be fine, after spading all but 3 UK tech tree vehicles it is the most painful to spade (and i include the Stirlings and Firebrand in that list)

@OliverXRed

• Spitfire Mk 22
  6.7 → 6.3
• Spitfire Mk 24
  7.0 → 6.7

Have been sitting overtiered for quite a while now. While the Mk 24 can perform well against jets, it mostly does so when the jets makes mistakes and loose all their energy.

its more the fact that the 24 is 0.7 higher than the P-51H despite beign roughly equivalent, though it is a bit miserable at 7.0 getting 8.0 games, but it is great in a downteir, and the 22 is find at 6.7 imo it could go down but its just a 24 with less engine power which made it 6.7 in th efirst place but yet again the 6.7 MM is much better than the 7.0 MM

@OliverXRed

• Hunter F.1
  9.0 → 8.7

A sub-sonic jet that is only armed with cannons. It can nearly not do anything against what it faces. It is also very similar to the other 9.0 jets that are being moved down.

the Hunter F.1 is ok but it needs to be played very carefully, 8.7 would be more than welcome

@OliverXRed

• Hunter F.6
  9.7 → 9.3

A sub-sonic jet that have not flares, while having to fight super sonic jets that have all aspect missiles available. It is to some extent similar in regards to also moving the 9.0 planes down in BR,

Flight performance wise it fixes most of what the F.1 lacked, it pulls harder and has a stronger engine, but its an SRAAM issue, 4 garunteed kills if you move it to 9.3 and then get a downtier

@OliverXRed

• Churchill I
  3.3 → 3.0

While it have armor, where the hull armor is probably better than the M4A3 (105), its turret is worse. At the same time it is a LOT slower and its gun is beyond useless at its BR.

• Churchill VII
  4.7 → 4.3

While it have the some of the best armor, at the same time, it can easily be killed by shooting the forehead of the turret. Its cannon cannot do anything at its BR other than really to track the enemies and maybe kill light tanks. You cannot shoot at weak spots, since it is using solid shot, so the most you will do is only maybe damage the enemy crew member behind the weakspot.

ive not used the chruchill 1 but i see the 2 pounder at 3.3 and no mobility with the useless 76 hull gun
and the churchill 7 is sad and include the croc with this, all its good as is surviving, but weakspots are prevalent and apart from that your just a shell barge

@OliverXRed

• Falcon
  8.3 → 7.7

Remove the APDS and move it down, since UK currently have 3 different SPAA at 8.3, and this one compared to the other two doesn’t have radar. At the same time there is a massive BR gap between Falcon and the Skink that is before it.

no, its one of the strongest BR for BR vehicles britain gets and provides utility nothing else in the UK tree can offer as of yet (Maybe after we get some more of our damned IFVs that havy something other than the Rarden), the 5.3 - 8.3 gap needs tobe filled, could be filled by a Blowpipe armed land rover which would not be too easy to use but would be a very competent SPAA in skilled hands but there isnt much that can truely close that gap, plus rovinging is APDS would remove its ability to melt Raketenautomats (such annoying fuckers) and Leo 1s and any other tank with armour but not thick armour

@OliverXRed

• Chieftain Mk 3
  8.7 → 8.3

Its not really able to perform well at its current BR, since its armor is rendered useless by the APFSDS it is facing, and the same time it doesn’t have the mobility to flank the enemies, since everything is a lot faster at the BR it is at.

Or give it its 5s reload

@tronexer

Only want the Chieftain reload buff this time around 5 seconds aced please

but it would be nice to add it to the 8.3 lineup, as it stands its equivalent to the vik 3

@OliverXRed

• FV102 Striker
  Add spotting

It is part of the CVR(T) family, where the R quite litterally stands for Reconnaissance. It is a scouting vehicle, that doens’t have the ability to scout.

its needed, the striker is so niche, with its minimum engagement range and having no autocannon armament, with the BMP-2 at 0.3 higher, and M3 Bradley and Warrior at the same BR, it would go down to match the Swingfire at current positon and move the swingfire to 7.7 or back to 7.3 also it does not make sense for this to be the end of line vehicle, swap it with the Warrior in the tech tree, especcially as the ZT3A2 is now now 8.3, would make more sense to folder it with the Swingfire though, being a direct upgrade

[Kanelikainalo-psn]

Way to piss off literally everyone once again lmao.

Except razer ofcourse.

[T-34_Tradwife]

Every single 5.0 tank can trivially deal with the M-51 by simply clicking on the UFP. It has the armour of a 3.3 tank.

The M-51 is not an overpowered vehicle. It might actually be the worst 6.0 in the game.