yeah I thought about it and made a new post on the thread actually understanding how horrid it being 10.7 would be
@Community Managers…
You change the AMX from 10.3 to 10.7 but it has in fact 1:1 the same capabilities as the A6 Tram which is at 10.3. Premium vs Tech Tree treatment? Please community Manager, give me a statement. What is the thought behind of this?
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This is not a great BR change.
So, let’s point out why this BR change is not good.
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MiG-15, 17 and F-86 downtier.
Terrible, just terrible. Those things are already fine at their BRs… Sure, you will fight the ocassional F–104s and other supersonics, but isn’t this something every other 8.3+ fighters have to deal with ? Even then, the MiG and Sabres outperforms things like the Mysteres and G.91s. You’re telling me while the extremely powerful MiG-17 gets a downtier to 8.7, the Mystere IV has to wait and get shredded ? What about the G.91s ? These two planes are toe to toe against their respective MiGs and Sabres, and now they are getting shredded by their better versions ? -
M18 uptier. WHY ?!
This is a dumb idea. The bloody thing is not going to survive a constant match against King Tigers. Look, you could put it at 6.0 only if it gets the APCR round, which you did not give. -
AMX-30 DCA uptiering
Why did you uptier it to 8.7 ? The bloody thing’s inferior to a Gepard and all its derivatives. It should be tied to the Gepard. -
BMP-1 going up. What is wrong with you ?
I hate BMP-1s as much as the many other people do. But, it isn’t even that great at its BR, it sits perfectly there. You don’t need to prolong the suffering of the poor BMPs.
My extra recommendations:
G.91Y and YS. You see, why are these planes at 9.3 and 9.7 ? These vehicles are barely supersonic, armed with a pair of unideal missiles and gets shredded by everyone. Put em at 9.0 and 9.3, PLEASE!
Mirage F1. Pain, please, lower its BR to 11.0. Even then, it wouldn’t rip anything.
Next, the AMX-30B2 and BRENUS. Put it at 8.3. That lack of a stabiliser is an utter pain. They can’t compete with anything.
(all of these recommendations are ONLY FOR RB)
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you can often disable a tank in 1 shot but not kill, if it takes 2 shells for a kill with the fireflys reaload thats of 5.9 seconds for 5 shots (ready rack) which is 1 kill every 11.8 seconds, with that decreasing to (with i think it is a 1.5x reload multiplier) a kill every 17.7 seconds, the M4A3 has APHE and can still pen most of what it faces when in the same lobby as the Firefly (4.7-5.7) and has the same reload as the Firefly, at 5.9 seconds, so it can kill a tank evert 5.9 seconds, In addition it doesnt have a ready rack, so it can keep that 5.9 secodn reload for all 71 shells,
this matters cuase you can move onto the next target quicker, sitting there reloading to kill a target leaves you open to being shot by someone else you couldve shot if you didnt need to take 2 shots to kill
meaning that the US 75 and russian 76mm cannot pen it without aiming for much smaller weak spots
75mm M3 M61 Shell : 104mm Penetration
17 Pndr Shot Mk.8: 190mm penetatration
Almost Double, Not Triple, if you are talking about the 17 Pnder APDS with 269mm pen, the firefly doesnt have that (bar the Italian one at 5.0) even then thats ingoring the woes of the 76mm APDS which either does no spall or just shatters
he says as he has a 1.21K/D in the M4A3 at 5.7 and a 1.2K/D in the 4.7 Firefly, meaning you do better in the M4A3 … a whole 1.0 Higher
And the Firefly haas the alrge wweak spots and APHE, shoot at the heatches and its a one shot for the M4A2 and has a 5.0 second reload top, and a short stop, while yes the 17 pounder is fairly efficient as dealing with shermans and will probabally kill in 1 shot aswell the time it takes for the gun to settle means the M4A2 could squeeze a shot in and kill the firefly before hand, but in the end, these are seperate BRs for a reason and a direct comparison 1v1 is by no means representative of the greater game senario, like the T-50 and Archer, yes the archer has the 17 pounder and at the same BR the T-50 is better in pretty much every way and much more useful in the game senario
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lol You don’t know how MiG-15bis ISh is ALREADY cracked at 8.3.
And funny how it will move down to 8.0BR for somehow.
It is literally worse than 2014 jet matchmakers.
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I think that there are missed vehicles that need help … and some that are over-performing such as the fuji . Please reconsider the merkava 2d to have a lineup at 9.3… this thing doesn’t deserve to be at 9.7 because playing Israel is a nightmare on its own. also, CV90105 is way over performing and should be at 10.3.
Yeah it’s strange that tanks designed for 800m minimum engagement distance don’t work well on a majority of CQC, sniping/flanking removed maps?
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It’s becoming a pretty clear pattern these days. Funniest part was them upping BR of the recent French tank but not the superior premium version.
Ob292, T-80UD, 2S38 shouldn’t be anywhere close to 10.0, period
Also, please for the love of god decrease SPAA BRs across the board. All of them.
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they already do, they even see MiG-17s and Lim-5s right now, Me 262 C at 8.0
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Since we have a Max BR of 12.7, for Aviation only(why?) Increase the max BR for Helis/Planes AND tanks to 12.7
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Not all spaa, have you seen the ZSU-57-2? Only the ones that have only missiles or (relatively) low pen autocannons should be decreased in br. I don’t want to fight a full auto tank destroyer in my ww2 tank.
yeah no, its better than any 9.3 and still very competent at 9.7 as shown by your 1.59 K/D and for someone that cannot break a 1 K/D in the Bf 109 F-4 and F2G-1, id say its still more that 9.7 worthy
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The Q-5 Early should have gone to 8.7 and the Q-5A should have stayed 9.0…
They lock up extremely past 1000km/h and have horrible performance outside of their acceleration, the Q-5A was the only good Q-5 because it had flares and now at 9.3, it’s useless.
I was gonna grind to rank 7 with it and as it is now DOA - going through rank 6 is going to be painful…
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Why is CL-13 Mk4(italy) the same BR as F-86 F-30s?
It has the same engine and weapons as the F-86 A-5. The only difference is the BR. if the F-86 A-5 is going to be 8.0, shouldn’t the CL-13 Mk4 also be 8.0?If F-86 A-5 is still 8.3, then CL-13 Mk4 should also be 8.3.
Or do you hate Italy?
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I think:
T72AV shoud be 10.3 > good thermals (gunner/comander) and a good enough ammunition
2S38 shoud be 11.3 > can the same things do but better than HSTVL and Otomatic both 11.3 already
BMP2M shoud be 10.7 > out performs all other IFVs in terms of fire power (has more or les the same survivebility and speed compared on 10.0) Object 292 shoud be 10.7 > best bullet pen in game with good damage, decent mobility and armor for its BR T80UD shoud be 10.3/10.7 > its like a Bishma TWMP with faster reload
KF41 shoud be 10.3 > idk why it is on 10.7, it ´s not better than other IVF´s armament wise an average 30mm and 4 Spikes like the Vilkas and the survivebility is average Israely AH-60 shoude be 11.7 > has Spikes and tured mounted 20mm, the USA version doesnt (like the france Tiger HAD is [11.0] and the Tiger HAD Block 2 is [11.7] because it has Spikes )
( only the vehicles I´m aware of and care)
in my opinion
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I think it’s really important to note that the current VAB modelled in-game is the upgraded variant from the early 2000s. Among other things, the dead giveaway is the tail lights:
Modernised VABs
VAB we have in-game
From a historical standpoint it makes no sense that the Mephisto isn’t using HOT-3s if they were being used (since 1993) well before it actually existed.
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I recommend
SPAA VEK40
RB 8.7-9.0
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mystere IVA at 8.3 is deserved
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It even sucks in direct comparison to all the other choppers at the same BR. As I said its literally defenseless. Not to mention that PARS dont work the moment there is a leaf infront of the target. You have to expose yourself several seconds to ensure a kill by firing multiple missiles at the target. The seeker often times doesnt even acquire the correct target or wont even activate. It would be fine where it is if it had working PARS and self-defense capabilities which it has not.
I recommend playing it and tell me how good the experience was being a free kill for everyone. Not mentioning how map dependent it is.
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