Planned Battle Rating changes for April 2024

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Proposed changes regarding RB mode only.

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A-6E TRAM 10.3 → 10.7:
=> Way better CAS plane and plane in general regarding handling and suspended armament compared to SU-25s and A-10s.

Harrier GR.1 9.7 → 9.3:
=> Yes, it stomped when it was introduced, but the advent of all aspect missiles and more planes with flares are making it worse.

Hunter F6 9.7 → 9.3 or 9.0:
=> I see no reason why the Hunter F6 should be the same BR as the German squadron vehicle or other planes with far better missiles. The F11F-1 which also has speed, no flares and 4 missiles (9Bs) sits at 9.0. I really don’t see the SRAAMs in the current state of air RB being a reason for a 2 steps higher BR.

Tornados attack/ground strike variants (examples IDS WTD61or Marineflieger), 11.0 to 10.7 or even 10.3:
=> They don’t have guided air to ground weapons, only 2 AIM-9Ls and subpar flight performances similar in capabilities to 104s regarding a dogfight. With the reduction in BR the WTD61 might get viable as a premium instead of the cynical joke it currently is.

-----------------------------Naval-----------------------------

SKR-7 and SKR-1 change BR from 4.3 to 4.7 or 5.0.
=> Both are way better than any other 4.3 coastal machine and can even fight off same BR or higher DDs or CLs due to their massive amount of auto cannon damage plus Torpedoes and rockets. A up tier of this vehicle is really needed. It has no Problem fighting 5.0 DDs and is by far one of the best ships in the game, compared to BR. ( Put a Talisman on it to grind the whole USSR coastal tree and was not disappointed. Way better than the premium ship (MPK Pr.12412P) offered at the same BR)
Specially since you now up tier other coastals to 3.7 and 4.0 that literally have no chance fighting it.

M-51 and M-51 (W) should both move down from 6.0 → 5.7 or 5.3.
=> They have a good gun, but the lack of stabilizer makes it in no way nearly as good as other 6.0 vehicles. Plus, their HEAT rounds can be random when it comes to penetration and/or damage.

Black Prince 6.0 → 5.7 or 5.3.
=> Armor similar to 4.7 Churchill and same gun as 4.7 Firefly, no Idea why the combination makes it 6.0.

KV-1B (German) and KV-1E (Russia) 4.0 → 4.3.
=> Both vehicles way over perform and stomp nearly everything around their BR.

VK 45.01 (P) 5.3 → 5.0:
=> Very rare, worse than the Tiger H could form a nice lineup with the prototype Panther (VK 30002 (M).

KV-1 (L11) 3.7 → 4.3:
=> all early KVs need to be up tiered, they are a menace of low tier battles.

KV-1S 4.0 → 4.3:
=> all early KVs need to be up tiered, they are a menace of low tier battles.

Stormer HVM 10.3 → 9.7:
=> nearly useless SPAA, needs to move down and has no business being that close to top tier.

ZT3A2 8.3 → 7.7:
=> big target, no canon, no armor or depression to hide behind cover.

Ratel 20 6.7 → 6.3 or even 6.0:
=> same as above but only one missile and a 20 mm which can’t damage anything.

Ratel 90 6.3 - 5.3:
=> it has heat but is a paper target, slow and has no ATGMs. Tigers and other 5.3s can handle it.

Maus/E-100 7.7 → 7.3:
=> slow and heavy tanks sporting thick armor, survivability comparable to a T-95, this armor needs to be worth something and not constantly face primarily HEAT rounds negating the only good aspect of the tank (Gun and Mobility are subpar at best)

Ferdinand/Elefant 6.7 → 6.3:
=> Both could need a down tier to make them stand out more from the Jagdtiger.

Every M113 ATGM carrier and similar vehicles (most of them currently around 8.3 BR) should also be downtieres by 0.3 to 1.0:
=> Yes they have missiles, but since the realism changes they have become harder to use and the chassis has no valid positive aspects. It is basically an armored boy without much protection and only centered around the ATGM.

-----------------------------Bonus for future updates-----------------------------

Please work on a mid-tier SPAA for the US, other nations already received them, which was great to fix those holes, but the US urgently needs something valid between 4.3 and 7.7 if you consider the M42 or M19 valid. As an AA they are borderline useless compared to the BTRs or M53/59 which got added to the USSR tree.

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Adding to previous post same nation Me 410 A-1/U4 and Me 410 B-2/U4 in game functionally identical and like almost or same camo too. But simple feedback that these should be same br just cause they are literally same performance planes for same nation fighting same stuff gets ignored or unread. There might have been some differences in very early versions of the game but not anymore. There’s countless more or less similair examples.

Not even gonna mention Arcade or Simulator obviously mistake and not maintained Brs.
US P-47 D-28 4.3 in sim meanwhile same plane but with airbrakes aka China and Italy P-47 D-30 is 3.7. rightfully these are the same br in air rb
In arcade US premium Sabre is 7.3 but way worse italian one CL-13 Mk.4 is 8.0

These pile up rather fast every change that doesn’t overhaul arcade or sim at all and new stuff is added. It wouldn’t take much effort to research and fix those simple ones at all but it just doesn’t seem to be ever done. Now some are way less game changing and don’t mattes as than others but really cant call the game balanced at all when simple mistakes like that are all over the place and go without notice.

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Powerful engines, good radar, good dogfighter, twice the amount of missiles - including recently buffed FOX 3 Phoenixes. Just because we recently got an 11.7 M2K (which btw is going back to 12.0 likely) does not suddenly make it 11.3.

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Mystere IV should go to BR 8.3 too

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838

How can you say that?, Do you think Meteor mk8 is equal to mig 15 and sabre a5?

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Same story with the F-84Fs and the F-100s in arcade battles. Different BRs for the same vehicles.
How the American F-100D can have a lower BR than the french one while having better missiles than it?
I waste my time and write it here everytime that a new BR changes drop but nobdy care, thank you gajin…

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M26 still at 6.7 xD and of course they don’t move Tiger II H and Jagdtiger at 7.0 xD
M18 and Super Hellcat… Super Hellcat at 6.7 XDDD, remember kids, you can’t be good player and play USA xD
M551(76) omg this thing is worse than Centurion Mk2 and still they move this thing at 7.0… because it’s American xDDD
Ostwind moved at 3.3… this is one of the best german spaa, right next to it is Sd.Kfz.251/21 with 3x15mm with HE belt, in general m16 with HE, then this thing should be moved at 3.7 or even 4.0.
Only good changes i see is moving BMP-1 at 8.0 and T-34 at 4.0.
Remember kids, snail hate USA, France and Japan.

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M36B2 can be one shot by HE after hit any part of the tank, M-51 dont.
M36B2 can be destroyed by planes machineguns extreamly easy, M-51 dont.

There is not a single reason for 5.0 tanks face a medium tank armed with a postwar 105 mm gun can shot 400mm of pen HEAT every 7 seconds.
And no, M36 is not better and if you sucks hard playing M-51 im sorry but that is not a excuse for his actual low BR.

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The M36B2 can move under it’s own power and has better firepower.

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And M-51 is what, drawn by actual horses?

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What? He’s saying Panzer IV H should be 4.3 instead of 3.7.

What about that is a “German main moment”?

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War Thunder players when a heavy tank can actually rely on its armor and function as a heavy tank for once:

Even the ones with <90mm of pen lmao

I don’t know if you have KV-1E, but facing 5.0s such as M4A1 (76)W or VK 3002 (M) with 90mm of pen is enough of a challenge already. Just because it can withstand some fire it doesn’t mean it’s OP.

And to top it off, you want them to even face an M4A1 (76) W armed with AMX-30’s gun and shell from the 1960s that already stomps on other WW2 tanks.

Why do so many War Thunder players hate heavy tanks this much?

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I don’t agree with your assessment of Cent M2 and M551(76), I find both are good vehicles.

The APDS lets you lolpen Panthers frontally, even through an angled UFP. Both have stabilizers, a rare feature at that BR.

APDS of course is not without weaknesses, and it requires a bit of strategy and knowing where to shoot the enemy vehicle. I believe this is a fair tradeoff for the impressive penetration ability and relatively short reload.

Overall I think Cent mk2 should stay at 6.7, it’s slow and can’t make use of it’s stabilizer like M551(76) can.

M551(76) however is a little too good for 6.7, and should deservedly go up. Stab + mobility + apds is a meta combination. I think also giving it HEAT-FS similar to T92 and german M41 would be a fair compensation. Less flat pen but better against sloped soviet heavies.

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It does feel like that with how slow it feels.

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I really can not understand why M18s need to move up. They have an average penning round. Yes, they might have good stats, but the most viable play is to flank and sideshot everyone, from the front currently in an uptier they cannot do anything. I hope M18 can stays in it’s happy 5.7, please leave it there! It didn’t even need the speed buff it got recently.

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Instead of doing all those Sabres and MiG changes how about moving the F-104A/C up to 9.7, and Su-25 and A-10 to 10.3

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I’ll be honest - I don’t see a single change here that benefits me. My 3.7 and 7.7 Swedish line-ups now need to be remade (or probably just deleted) and the 5.7 US line-up now lacks a speedy scout vehicle, which is the main way I play. Also, if those jets are always getting beaten, maybe raise the BRs of the ones that keep stomping on them, and not lowering them so they can fight Spitfires and the like?

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Air RB changes are interesting to say the least. Please note im giving my feedback solely from the perspective of balancing Air RB, I know effectively nothing about Ground RB.
The motivation to bring korean war era subsonics down to increase the gap between them and supersonics and strong missiles at the 9.7-10.0 area is valid. However, the subsonics you have chosen to bring down from 9.0-8.7 and 8.7-8.3 are already some of the strongest at their respective BR. Its not outrageous to lower the BR of these vehicles, but it doesnt make sense to lower the BR of the MiG-15bis (one of the strongest planes at 8.7) and not, say, the Venom FB 4 or the FJ-4B (some of the weaker planes at 8.7. Similarly the CL-13A Mk.5 and MiG-17 variants, especially the afterburning ones, are some of the strongest 9.0 planes and IF it is justifiable to lower their BR, then doesnt make sennse to NOT lower the BR of weaker 9.0 planes such as the J29F and the Super Mystere B2 alongside them.

Furthermore, these korean era jets have already been buffed by the addition of fuel sliders, since the vast majority of them can now take a fairly optimal 10-15min fuel load, when before they were restricted to either a 7m (or thereabouts) minfuel, or 20m. So, these planes will probably become super strong, which is not to say that the changes are bad, but what is being done will cause a bit of a shift of dominance amongst the early-tier jets.

I think that alongside this, the 6.7-7.3 area needs a slight rework so that the weaker planes at this BR range dont get clobbered. The Me 262 A-1a will now be able to face a MiG-15bis ISH in a full uptier. I think all the Me 262s could be moved down in BR one step, as could the Spitfire Mk 22/24, Ho 229 V3 and MiG-9 (non late).

The root of the problem is of course, BR compression at around the 9.3 area. 9.3 is an insanely packed BR. F-104s, MiG-19s and Lightnings are at the same BR as the CL-13B Mk.6, Shenyang F-5, G.91 Y and Sagittario 2. Due to the short game times and small maps that define the current air RB meta, furballs are very common and these subsonics can be quite effective in the right hands, however this does not Justify them being at the same BR as Mach 2 capable supersonics.

The other BR changes are also fairly positive tho. The AJS37 was pretty weak at 11.0, I’d like to see the Tornado IDS come down with it. The Q-5A was extremely powerful for 9.0, albeit being quite difficult to get kills with due to the lack of instantaneous manoeuvrability, and it has some flares, so 9.3 seems sensible. The Mirage IIIC to 10.0 is an okay change too, however, it will now return to the same BR as the Mirage IIICJ (Shahak), which is identical but lacks the recently much improved Magic 1. The Magic 1 is a very potent missile for 10.0, and combined with a plane with a lot of AoA/instantaneous pull like the Mirage III, it will get quite a lot kills. But, it doesnt have flares and is certainly not particularly strong at 10.3. I would like to see the F-104G (China), F-1 and J35D come down to 10.0 aswell, since these planes also lack flares, and have a similar missile kit and somewhat similar flight performance. (4 AIM-9J equivalents i would consider to have similar killing power to 2 Magic 1s and a R530). The AMX moving to 10.7 seems a little rough, but I dont mind it if it means diluting high-powered missiles from the 9.3-10.0 area.

Ultimately the Air RB changes seem well motivated, but incomplete. Im sure you can think of other vehicles to change the BR of with the exact same motivation as the ones you have already mentioned

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バトルレートを見直すより、マッチングにおけるバトルレート幅を考え直して下さい
±1.0はボトムマッチに当たったプレイヤーを苦しめています

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Okay so maybe move the Char25T down again? Its outclassed and unfun to play at 8.0

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