Hey man after like almost 1000 posts, no one cares about the 120s? I mean this thing has a 11.0 weapon, every time it sees full downtier it goes 8-0, saw one of them had a nuke camping the enemy spawn at space port, its like having 3BM60 at 10.0 like the 2S25M but this time is have armor in a hull down position lol
I feel like we are forgetting some other subsonic jets like the A32, A29 and possibly the J32. Also the French Mystere IV and IIs. Why is AMX going up but not the A10 or Su-25K. I don’t mind the Fox going to 7.7 as I think that was inevitable. But the Majority of these proposed changes are wrong. Also poor 262s fighting Sabres and MiGs, that is not going to go well. I appreciate the R-60MK being added to the Su-22M3 as it was sorely needed as it does not have the performance to compete solely with rear aspect missiles. Doing decompression gradually is not going to help the game and will likely taint the statistics of a lot of subsonic jets. Doing a lump decompression to make every vehicle viable in its specific role would be welcome I think.
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These changes are absolutely atrocious. With the exception of maybe the Fox, all these BR changes accomplish is screwing up lineups. This is without a doubt the worst set of BR changes, which is a pity given the previous batch wasn’t too bad aside from the AMX-13 FL11 being thrown to 4.3.
The T-34 does not deserve a spot at 4.0. Not only does it screw up the 3.7 lineups of USSR and Sweden, the 3.7 medium tank trifecta felt like an ideal balance of speed (T-34), power (Pz IV), or a stabiliser (75 Sherman). I do not see how the T-34 is equal to the 4.0 Sherman, a tank which it cannot UFP with even a bit of range or angle which has a stabiliser and .50 cal. I understand the game has a speed meta, but the T-34 isn’t fast enough to make up for the fact that its gun is the worst of the 3.7s, and now it’s the highest BR of the three.
The M18 being raised again screws the 5.7 lineup. It’s really saying something how increasingly unsatisfying USA Ground is to play because all the tanks keep getting upBRed, and this one is no exception. For the counterarguments I’ve heard of “now it can’t bully 4.7s”, there are barely any of those left because virtually all of them got moved up as well. This certainly feels like a preemptive BR change due to the HP buff, but it’s certainly insane to me that another mid tier USA vehicle gets upBRed before it could even prove how problematic the new buff would be.
The M551 76 being moved up is honestly scummy. If you’re going to release effectively time-limited (if one doesn’t want to pay triple the price) vehicles, it is practically outright unethical to release them at a lower BR than you very much internally know they deserve in order to bait purchases. This thing wouldn’t even be that scary as it can be trivially MGed. The T92 should be moved down rather than this thing being moved up.
The BMP-1 being moved up is honestly just hilarious. This thing is already an exercise in frustration to play due to how inconsistent HEAT can be and how awful many ATGMs are to use due to the ATGM nerf last year. I am genuinely unsure what sort of 6.7 players are dying to a 290m/s ATGM in large enough numbers to warrant a BR increase, but the ATGM nerf needs to be undone if this is going to go up in BR. It again just removes it out of relevancy, as I see no Germany players who will want to use this in their 8.0 lineup over the DF105 for HEAT or Marder 1A3 for ATGMs, while USSR players still have the incredibly potent Object 906. China players might still want to keep this in their 8.0 lineups due to having no other option, but this otherwise throws the BMP-1 into irrelevance overnight as no Germany/USSR player is going to uptier a heavy tank dependent lineup to accommodate this awful thing.
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Funnily enough, the M1A1 is literally better than both the C1 and PSO but yet the Ariete’s aren’t 11.0 (except the AMV, that one can be 11.3-11.7).
OTOMATIC still being 11.3 is just a crime. 2S6 being at 10.7, 2S38 at 10.0 etc. (not only talking about Russia)
As an Italy and France enjoyer, I just love how every BR Changes we just get shafted.
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Gaijin doesn’t want 10.0 Russian lineup to go up against 11.3 vehicles. That’s why we are obliged to enjoy playing against this imposed on our heads meta
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If the Sd.Kfz.234/2 Puma moves up to 3.7, then it should also move up to Rank III. At 3.7 there are allready other Rank III vehicles and Germany doesnt have a Rank III light tank around that br.
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I’m glad that you are adding more diverse weaponry, but please do adjust battle ratings accordingly in ALL GAME MODES.
Su-22M3 with 6xR60M at 10.3 in SIMULATOR battles is absurd! Please do not ruin Enduring Confrontation. Su-17M4 is the same aircraft but has a weaker engine, and it sits at 10.7 where it belongs.
Sinne loadouts are discussed in the document above I will take this opportunity to discuss them some more. Some time ago the MiG-21bis was added to Finland. This aircraft has totally wrong armament, presumably because it was just copied and pasted. Finland never had R-60M(K) missiles. Just the regular R-60. Also the double pylon was not used, and 6 AA missiles was never carried. There is a change to give Sweden (Finland) a really unique vehicle at 10.7, so please use this opportunity!
The lack of R-60 is super easy to verify. The lack of double pylon maybe not so. My information is directly from a MiG-21 (F-13 & bis) pilot. He also shared a story of the only time he shot a live R-60. He was flying away from the sun. When he released it the missile did an immediate 120 ° turn over the wing straight from the rail, and presumably went for the sun! But please don’t model this behaviour.
(Edit: What is going on!? I can edit my post! I left the forum out of frustration when the old forum was abandoned, the main reason being that it wasn’t possible to edit the posts until you had 60(?) posts. What the **** was that c**p anyway…)
my only fear with moving the S.2 down is that it’ll become the perfect match prolonger. I’ve seen that once, but I suspect more people would use it if they could just run away constantly.
This to be honest.
BR changes like this are, on balance, quite frankly terrible. I’d honestly recommend binning all these changes and starting over. No decompression whatsoever is bonkers. Why isn’t the Gripen going up? Why aren’t top tiers being moved up to allow for other jets to move up? Why aren’t all aspect AIM-9L slingers being moved up from 10.0?
Moving everything down doesn’t do anything.
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yeah, that’s why they made .ru forum - 1 suggestion for 1 vehicle per person…while there are no such restrictions here
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I’m really happy with these changes, and glad it’s finally being looked at; however, there are still a few planes that are missing that need to get lowered G.91YS at 9.7 (skull emoji), and the Shenyang F-5 at 9.3 (literally just a MiG-17 with an afterburner, doesn’t belong there getting up tiered to all aspect having no countermeasures, or rockets to make artificial flairs), MiG 19 is okay at 9.3 but its not comfortable or enjoyable to play, and should also be looked at.
yeah but a lot of players belive in russian bias and since 2s38 is a russian tank they forget about stats and blame russian bias
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I’m going to stop you there boss. Su-22M3 might be the worst plane, i’ve ever flown. I mind you it has 12 counter measures. It’s hard to believe such a terrible plane is ruining sim, and having 6 R-60M’s which will get distracted by a lit cigarette, is irrelevant. Come on man the R-60M’s are not the problem.
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sorry for using ‘it’ at the worst possible place, shouldve mentioned su11
What the hell am i reading?
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SB F-14A Early 11.7 → 11.3
The aircraft is weaker than other 11.7 aircraft (Mirage 2000), in terms of equipment and armament, as well as performance characteristics.
In its 11.3 place there is the MiG-23MLD with the R-60M and R-24R, which allow it to be at the level of weapons, but slightly worse in terms of performance characteristics, having a better RWR than the F-14.
Gajin, time to move SA.342L Gazelle to 8.3 so it actually is a point to having it in the tech tree at all!
It’s not like it would outclass other 8.3 helis, like Alouette II.
Would be nice with higher BR for RB ground as well, 9.3 is basically 10.3 these days, which is a shame!
RB LOSAT 10.3 → 9.3
Not competitive at all on 10.3
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Air changes are overall very bad, early jets are gonna be in a very bad spot and the AMX at 10.7 completely kills it in both air battles and as cas.
Hellcat changes are gonna ruin it since they will have basically no line ups.
The leo 40/70 at 5.7 will be completely useless as spaa and as light tank.
Also bmp1 and amx 30 dca are already not very good and I dont get the bump.
Naval changes are good and I wish you keep decopressing the top end of coastal and the 6.0 to 7.0 bluewater ships
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With the recent additions its time to downtier the UHT to 10.0 or 10.3 in RB:
Stingers taking 4 seconds to warm up and being far too bad for self defense due to easy dodging, speaking of bad self-defense it has no chinturret. AH-1Z at the same BR has Aim-9M and a chinturret.
The french and italian derivates having a chinturret, Spikes (with more range than PARS) and Mistrals makes them far more capable than the UHT to warrant a similar BR for it.
The Israeli AH-60 has 16 Spikes plus chinturret and sits at a lower BR.
The unreliability of the PARS combined with their pitiful damage and lack of meaningful self-defense makes it a free-kill for anyone.
Vikhr and Pantsir making the UHT a nightmare to play since it cant use the concept of its Osiris optic due to modelling, USSR helis can use the Vikhr in nearly the same manner as the UHT was intended by its design. Staying behind hills and firing missiles at the enemy, the UHT cant do it, the Vikhr due to being broken can do it.
If we take a look at the contemporary Helis at 10.0 or 10.3 there are the Lynx, Mi-35 and AH-1W that have a similar configuration but are far more capable than the UHT due to having more range, better ordinance or better self-defense.
Last but not least, how often do you see a UHT spawning and having game impact? That shows how bad it is.
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