Planned Battle Rating changes for April 2024

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If you’re adjusting all of the sabres and MiG-15s, please also move down the Venom because it already struggles compared to them with its poor acceleration and top speed, and having it at 8.7 sharing a BR with the CL-13 mk5 is pretty rough. Would also be nice to see the Swift F.1 adjusted, as it’s comparable to the F-86A and MiG-15 (non-bis).

Alternatively, just don’t move any of those Korean-era jets down and instead start properly decompressing 9.0-10.3 and give some breathing room for the massive technological leap taking place over it, because you tried moving just the F-86F and MiG-15bis to 8.3 a year or two ago and they kurb-stomped everything. 7.x jets will suffer terribly if these changes go through. This is the MUCH better option!

I don’t think I have to say much for it to be obvious how ridiculous it is for a Meteor to be the same BR as a MiG-15 considering how poorly that matchup went when they engaged each other in the Korean War. I don’t know if the Sea Hawk ever fought MiGs, but I imagine it’d have an even rougher time than the Meteor yet it’s also at 8.0. The Vampire needs to go down desperately, the fact that you think it’s remotely comparable to a sabre or MiG-15 is hilarious. It’s an early jet with terrible acceleration, poor top speed, and its only saving grace is its excellent manoeuvrability. It’s rarely played anymore because of the back-to-back unecessary BR nerfs from 7.3 all the way to 8.0, and if it wasn’t dead already it now will be.

Anything with 30G missiles has no place in the 9.x range. All aspect missiles have no place anywhere below 10.3. Anything supersonic has no place below a minimum of 9.7. The F-104 is blatantly overpowered at 9.3, the MiG-19 and MiG-21F-13/PFM/J-7II are less forgiving but still very powerful. The premium MiG-21s need either their R-60s removed or to go up in BR, and the Yak 38s should not be at 9.3 with 4 R-60s - it either needs to lose the R-60s or go up in BR.

The 9.0-10.3 range has been problematic for years but it’s in the worst state its ever been, you NEED to address this instead of pushing down Korean war-era jets and then moving them back up when they overperform against early jets in this cyclical motion every few BR adjustments. I can’t imagine it’s too hard to shift the entirety of 9.3-12.7 up by 0.3 or 0.7BR as a stopgap, and adjust slightly from there, as it’d keep the matchmaker 1.0BR above and below the problematic space the same, and give you lots more breathing room to make 8.7-10.3 more fair, with a much more gradual change from pure gunfighting with no countermeasures to all aspect 30G missiles with countermeasures. 9.X kicks down to 8.X, that is not a reason to make 8.X kick down to 7.X without addressing the underlying cause of all of this.

Also seeing neglect of the G.91s and J29s in the subsonic 8.X-range adjustments. The F-sabres and MiG-15bises are the heavyweights of 8.7, so it would be nice to see some of their minor nation counterparts get similar treatment.

Not a fan of the T-34s going up to 4.0 in GRB. Their armour is pretty thin and their guns are very mediocre, whenever I fight them it feels like the only thing making them difficult to kill is volumetric, optics and the driver’s hatch. Also not a fan of the Ostwind going down again, it’s going to just get used like a TD and start shredding low tier tanks’ thin armours.

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plz83 needs new shell instead of turning down BR

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Move all 10.3 attackers to 10.7 otherwise make AMX stay still at 10.3.

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I’ve heard its weapon still OHKO those 11.7s with spall liners, I hadn’t tried it myself though.

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Still not giving the f84f their airspawn back for other countries while US f84f still has it. Even though all the planes are identical

Plus why AMX to 10.7? Thats just stupid

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I’ve been 2 shot by one, through the side ERA on the Challenger 2 OES. It would not suffer at all being 10.7 or even 11.0.

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As I said previously, 2S38 should be 10.3.
After personally playing the HSTVL, it’s perfectly fine at 11.3.
As for other SPAA with tracking and proxy rounds… they’re all lower BRs than the 2S38 with search radars to boot.

@CallideGaming
That’s not how APFSDS is limited and has never been done that way. Zero vehicles in War Thunder are done that way.

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M551 (76) at 7.0? Nice move Gaijin, scum us out of our money then increase it’s BR. You do realize that USA has no 7.0 lineup right? Except the T-92 which is not useful if you already got the Sheridan and the T-95 Turtle. Don’t do this please, it’s already a glass cannon, even SPAA’s can take it down.

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Continuing the discussion from Planned Battle Rating changes for April 2024:

Love to see the F.222.2 go from 2.3 to 2.0. the french bomber has a big bomb load but is very slow and the 7.7 guns its got just cant defended itself in RB battle.

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T-34s at 4.0 is a bad idea. Once they meet the early panthers they are gunna get smashed.

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The ratings punishes WW2 main players. You can have fun at 4.0 but you will not do mission with rank 2s.

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Bro keep the ikv 91at 7.7 yes it gets heat and a lr but it has paper thin armor and the 2s1 would be a much better alternative bc its at a much lower br but oh no its russian cant do that it would not be broken anymore 8.0 is terrible place for it fighting leopard a1a1s in somthing that could be penned with 7.62. The only standing out thing is the lr and your moving it up, i feel like we should have a tank like that just 1 good tank were asking for just let us have a good sniper for once and be special also moving it up would face a lot of era which sucks but when a tank an be countered by 7.62 or era i feel like the cons kinda out do the cons and it is a tank that takes skill so dont move it up.

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First, why such a big difference between the G and H? The gun is almost identical and the armor is only upgraded with the 5/8mm side skirts.
Second, the M4A1 76 has this thing called a STABILIZER that allows it to always have first shot advantage if the player is paying attention.

Pretty massive upgrade, a .3 BR increase for that and a .50cal and a much better turret is just a little too much. Move the G and H to 4.0 and make them rank 3 instead.

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It’s 49mm of pen. Nothing like the Bofors SAP in lower tier swedish SPAA.

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Late F-104’s should be lowered like .3 br. Shouldnt fight Mig-29s and F-16s with those planes.

2S38 is still a joke at 10.0. That thing is at least 10.7

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Is that thing really that good? I don’t have it in my 10.0 and zero experience of playing it so I can’t comment much, because I saw it also has a pretty horrible stat in terms if KDR, which might have a lot to do with the high numbers of newbies jumping into it without understanding the vehicle strength and clueless about how to play them, but I do play tons of 9.0 to 10.3, only from the perspective of facing it, the turret is unmanned so hitting there without HE is asking for trouble, mainly Leopard 2s will have issues killing them when it is only the turret part is shown, it does turn some of my matches into a barrel/breech repair simulator should I find one of them hull down. The ufp can sometimes bounce even the strongest AP round like the one from Object 292 should you become drunk and hit there instead of anywhere else, lower hull always OHKO if you hit there, overall never had too much trouble killing them if you positioned your tank well. So in all the matches I’ve participated in that have them they either died after having one or two kills, never saw one having 10 kills or dropped a nuke, that’s what the Object 292 could do to a full downtier due to having the T-80 armor profile and a wonky barrel damage model. I do however find the Begleitpanzer 57 more annoying than anything else I’ve faced in that br bracket

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German main moment ™️

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You seriously need to remove the M18, Super Hellcat, and M551(76) changes from the list of RB changes.

The M18s while more responsive than they used to be, are still not better than they were before their first engine nerf. They are fine at 5.7 and they honestly should be 5.3 for the Super Hellcat to be justified at 5.7 without being “pay to win”. The 76mm Loses it’s shine after 5.3, by 5.7 the short US 90mm should be standard armament, the ones like seen on the T25 (also an over-br’d tank) and M36s. Their firepower is more equal to the competition as well as reload.

On the other hand the Super Hellcat should be doing the opposite of moving up in BR. It is a vehicle that is way out of its league at 6.3 as it is, with a gun that isn’t really justified at the BR to begin with on a chassis that shouldn’t be above 5.7. The vehicle itself has and always will belong at 5.7, not 6.3 and DEFINITELY NOT 6.7. The Super Hellcat is heavier than the 76mm Hellcats and it is very noticable when it comes to acceleration. It’s a 90mm with no HEAT attached to a vehicle with no armor that belongs at 5.7 that is now being moved to 6.7???

Hellcats as a whole are a 5.3-5.7 range vehicle and so far the variants we have in game do not justify a higher or a lower BR than that. They are a pretty good light tank but definitely not the best and definitely not 6.0 material. Already no US vehicle with a US 76mm WITHOUT APDS should ever exist above 5.7 in the current state of BR ranges. Current vehicles with the short US 90mm also should not exist above 6.3 on “normal” tanks (exception being the Jumbo Pershing because it has armor to offset the lackluster gun at 6.7) Another example of an over-br’d short 90mm is the latest M4 Sherman with a Pershing turret. It should be 5.7 not 6.0.

Finally, the M551(76); a tank that sits somewhere between a B+ and an A- is now going to 7.0 where it’s gun is borderline fucking useless, even if it got the lackluster HEAT for its gun. All because it was semi-competitive and could SOMETIMES be better than an M41A1 in certain situations. A tank that can be reliably and easily killed with 7.62mm machine guns from the sides (though it won’t happen often from other tanks because you’ll just be 1-shot), doesn’t have enough armor to resist 12.7mm rounds frontally, yet has enough armor from all angles to set off every single APHE round in the game to my knowledge allowing it to be easily 1-shot ANYWHERE by pretty much every vehicle in the game that has a gun larger than 57mm. All while it still must aim for weak spots taking between 2-3 shots to kill or the occasional 1-shot if APDS decides to actually set off ammo; with a roof mounted .50 that can’t aim high enough to actually defend itself from CAS reasonably, which can be killed even easier from above by a bi-plane with 7.62mm guns. In most cases a (still somehow) 6.3 M41A1, or the German (somehow) 6.7 M41A1 with HEAT and smoke launchers, would be better in nearly every way besides lacking a stabilizer, which doesn’t really come in handy that often anyhow because it’s not a point and click gun; both of which can actually survive being shot, resist .50s and even some auto cannons, being nearly immune to a lot of CAS guns, and both of which having a .50 that can also aim high enough and with enough horizontal traverse to usually not even need to move the turret, to defend themselves from CAS.

The only thing making the M551(76) worth even using is the fact that it is a premium so you get better rewards, and the fact that it has a DECENT stabilizer (that low vertical targeting speed limits how effective it is and you can most definitely feel it, quite it gets you killed especially with how bad 3rd person targeting can be making your gun aim into space). It’s not that fast, being beaten by M41s in every way that actually matters when it comes to mobility (it’s top speed is higher than the M41 but you only hit it going downhill or after a LOG stretch of road, but your acceleration is terrible because despite being extremely light, the engine has what feels like 0 torque).

The other thing is, the main reason why it is doing so well right now is people for some reason see it and think they need to actually “aim” for something on it. Mainly people not even knowing what it is yet (yes it’s a technically 8.3 chassis at 6.7 but even the normal M551 is over-br’d anyway). Most people using it are people who know what they’re doing as well, with a combination of a lot of players not paying attention to surroundings. Very few instances have I actually done something that I couldn’t have done easier and better in the M41 for the most part.

The APDS on the US 76mm is terrible when it comes to post pen damage, and it’s penetration isn’t very good either. It’s not good enough to lol-pen and it’s not good enough to completely ignore angles either. It loses penetration very heavily over distance. It has to aim for the same weak spots a 90mm has to, only advantage being that it is at least somewhat better than having to use APCR.

If the M551(76) goes to 7.0 so should the Centurion MK.2, and the M551(76) should also at least get HEAT to give it the illusion of a tradeoff. Especially since the only redeeming quality about it is the stabilizer and premium status.

Every update now seems to always have a huge nerf for USA, and if your intention is to make sure the US tree goes from majority to completely over-br’d across the board and having almost 0 equally competitive vehicles; you’re doing a great job at that and this set of changes is another step in that direction. Everytime USA gets something decent and equally competitive to its opponents you over-br said vehicle and nerf it to the ground. Along with the myriad of US vehicles that are implemented incorrectly to begin with and are already worse than all of its equivalent opponents around it both above and below.

Please stop using statistical balancing and please for the love of God and the sake of the game actually improving, actually look at and compare vehicles based on what they can actually do, their upsides, downsides, etc. NOT STATISTICS. Not everything needs to be moved. The list of US vehicles that are over-br’d, improperly represented, severely sub-par, and artificially worse than competitors is massive right now and it is basically the majority of the tree, which alot has been caused by your improper use of statistics to balance them. Stop making it worse, start making it better. Make that number less not more, you’re making it more with this set of “balance” changes.

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Stop selling us Battlepasses and then immediately upping the BR of the main vehicle without any compensation to the players. You did this also with Object 248 and it is scummy to sell these Battlepasses with unrealistic BR for the main prize when you know you will have to change it.

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RB:
M551 8.0 to 8.3
Add TTS (thermal and laser rangefinder) pack as a modification.

MH-60L DAP 11.3 to 11.0
AB:
OH-58D 9.7-9.3
despite having advanced missile, quantity is significantly below average level
AH-6 9.7 to 9.3
same reason above