T-80B also has smoke and suprisingly, just a coaxial MG to mark enemies can sometimes help alot. Biggest point is the much quicker reload with still more than enough pen and spall though.
Statistic does not mean anything really. Take the german 6.0 GRB lineup as a example. Tiger E is truly a masterpiece, but players cant use it well in most cases.
nice changes mig15 and sabre playing against me262s WW2 plane vs Korean war
Its also why minor nations are overtiered a lot.
I said nothing of the sort. In fact, the exact opposite- the firefly is much more effective in the imperfect situations that happen in a real battle. If you look a the previous discussion, you’ll see that others were claiming that the 30% more power of the 17 pounder over the M1 was irrelevant because the M1 can penetrate almost anything it faces. This was incorrectly assuming that the enemy is nice, exposed, and front-on and not the real situation of battle where you don’t get those nice clean shots. Additionally, the idea that the weak spots of the hatches were a huge vulnerability- again, assuming that the Firefly is just sitting there taking hits. The Firefly excells in a tactical playstyle where it makes the most of its strengths, particularly the firepower of a 6.0 vehicle.
I think your second point can be summarized here. For the most part, little advantages like a short-stop stab or depression make a vehicle more convenient to use, though not actually better. Certainly not 1.0 better. In the end, the Firefly is at such a low BR because the players don’t have the skills to use it correctly yet, lowering its performance. But I believe that vehicles should be balanced on their true capabilities, not how well the perform in the hands of an inexperienced player.
On the 77mm, I said this-
Essentially, the C3 is just a super low BR for such a powerful cannon. The Comet, meanwhile, is only 5.3 with surprisingly good armour and the incredible APDS (which never shatters if aimed well…) plus exceptional forwards mobility. I personally have never really liked the Comet all that much, just because I find the flanking and sniping playstyle pretty boring. But that doesn’t mean it’s not a dam good vehicle.
Su-22M3 is now the best 10.7 fighter with 6x R-60M
Suggestions I think need to take place to keep air at least halfway stable:
Bombers - The AI gunner range needs to be extended. Most of the time gunners do not even fire until a plane is 300 meters away, which for anything after 3.0 is way too close to actually do anything. With how easy it is to kill bombers these days they need some defense. The time delay on base respawning now is enough so that a bomber can’t solo kill bases reliably anymore to end a match in a reasonable timeframe.
Korean War Era Jets - Korean War era (1950s) era jets frequently suffer from multiple of the following issues that due to the compression of the BR with these changes (particularly the F86s going down) they are unable to deal with.
- Lacking Cannons - The inability to properly target and destroy late 50s and 60s jets that they now will be paired with in the same BR.
- Maneuverability Issues - A comparatively terrible maneuverability rating for many of the jets vs their now same tier counterparts.
- Ground attack variants - 7.7, 8.0 and 8.3 is the tier that a LOT of aircraft start seeing dedicated attack variants at the jet tier. These are massively hindered by BR compression, and some are tier VI aircraft and cannot contribute reasonably without an airspawn.
- Comparative weaknesses - Due to compression a good chunk of aircraft now have strictly better alternatives at a similar, or even lower, BR than they currently sit at.
These issues are particularly noticable on aircraft such as the F-84F, F9F-2, M.D. 450B Ouragan, Mig-9 (Which can now face the late F-86s), Kikka (which can now face Mig 15s)and the Me 262 A-1a (which can now also face Mig 15s)
My suggestion is that all Jet aircraft are limited to a .7 BR spread instead of a 1.0 BR spread or that we go up to BR 15 for aircraft. Because currently with these changes we will have aircraft serving in the Vietnam War with heat seeking missiles and high near-Mach 1 speed maneuverability facing Jets that were around while WW2 was still active.
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I know but asking for more compression is more likely than them extending the Naval BRs
I understand your position completely though
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APHE go boom
-SAV 20.12.48. player
You could always purchase the Lazur-M.
Gaijin, probably
the real way to fix naval compression (imo) is to just completely screw over coastal
giving 1.0-4.0 to funny speedboats and puny frigates is ridiculous if you consider that the shittiest cruisers up to battleships live in roughly ~2.0 worth of BRs
khm low tier japanese planes lmao. I love how clueless players start to turnfight with them.
I think i need to learn some english here, what does APHE mean? What does the HE part mean, is it like you stuff some heckin egg in an ap? I dont think thats needed for a kill huh.
/s
F for A6M5 ko
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Ground:
L-62 ANTI change is unnecessary. It’s weak armor, slow speed, and limited ammunition are large enough trade offs for the solid round.
M42 change in the US TT highlights the massive gap in the SPAA line that is rank 4.
ZSD63/PG87 if you’re going to up this BR to 5.0 why not increase it’s rank and folder it with the Phong Khong T-34.
AMX-30 DCA seems like an absolute unnecessary change that’ll just mess with a lower BR 8.0-8.3 line up.
Aviation:
The problem with most of the aviation changes can be summed up in trying to force higher mid tier jets vs upper low-mid tier jets to avoid missiles. Because like the F-86-25 and others at 8.7 they go up against super sonic 9.3-9.7 aviation that often have missiles which they have no flares to actually do anything about. While in GRB these aren’t really an issue air AB and RB needs drastic decompression to prevent subsonic jets with no missiles or counter measures from going up against vastly superior aircraft.
What this new BR spread is going to look like is a Me262 C-1a going up against a Mig-15bis. Which can go an additional 50% fast and is more maneuverable. This is just going to create problematic match ups making certain BR tiers less fun. This is coming from a player whose now spending time working his way up their air TTs properly.
Suggestions:
Address issues like the F-104A which only has 1 re-searchable weapon modification for it’s 2 AIM-9B’s which should be stock because grinding that with only it’s cannon is ludicrous.
When you balance BR’s don’t just balance them by win rate but by tech. What’s it’s max speed? What munitions did it have access too? How maneuverable was it compared to others that share a similar speed? Does it have counter measures? Does it have radar?
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It is a masterpiece in a vakuum, honestly. Yes, it’s a great tank, but does it need to go up? I don’t think so. Yes, you can angle it for it’s armor to perform well, but that only works in 1v1s. It has a great gun, but other tanks at and above it’s BR have even better guns.
Yes, bad german players at that BR range probably pull the statistics down a little, but the same goes for USA and USSR tanks at that BR range. If anything, it’s a compression issue again, because I don’t see it at 6.3 if you have the much better King Tigers at 6.7, which I don’t see at 7.0 when there’s stuff like the IS-3, T-44-100 and T29, etc.
The statistics would probably work better if toptier was a few steps higher so WW2 and cold war could be decompressed and modern era just went up altogether.
For now, Italy does not have a decent 10.7/11.0 lineup. With the AMX going to 10.7, Italian players will have to either build a lineup around this plane or take it to 11.3. I think the former choice is somewhat silly because you will need to fight top-tier vehicles with Leo A4.
This BR change should happen after Gaijin releases some 11.0 vehicles for Italy, not now.
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I agree on your other points but not here. With sidewinders or not, the starfighter is just one of if not the best fighter at the BR.
Wait… Are you suggesting we do a total decompression? Sounds like a novel idea 😂
The Q-5A going to 9.3 should be reverted. It does not make sense when the subsonics are going down to 8.3-8.0. It going to 9.3 would not make it very competitive, since it’s still a worse MIG-19.
It’s a good plane, but not good enough for 9.3.
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