Tornado F3 and ADV both only have air to air weaponry. they have no air to ground ordnance. The IDS series has no guided weaponry only dumb bombs. So the IDS series going down kinda make sense. But whyare the SU-33, SU-27, J-11, F-16, and F-15A going down to 11.7 as well
Proposal for Reducing Reload Speed: Chi-Nu II
Reload speed reduction:
- Ace Crew: 6.5 → 5.9 s
- Basic Crew: 8.4 → 7 s
Rationale:
According to testing, there is evidence of the 75 mm Type II Model II possessing a reload speed of at least 6 rounds per minute. Both the basic and aced crew reload times should be decreased, as a result
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Type 3 Chi-Nu II
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Arcade Battle BR: 4.3 → 4.0
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Realistic Battle BR: 4.3 → 4.0
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Reload Speed: 6.5 s → 6.0 s
Rationale
The Chi-Nu II is currently 4.3 while the L/48-armed Italian Pz.IV G sits at 4.0. The Chi-Nu II is worse in protection, mobility, and reload, all in exchange for more APHE filler. Its trade-offs are sufficient to warrant being it at the same BR as the Italian Pz.IV G, if not lower.
The ammunition has a more accessible placement than in the later Panzer IV’s, so it should not have noticeably worse fire rate.
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Type 4 Chi-To [Both Variants]
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- Reload Speed: 6.5 s → 6.0 s Bug Report
Rationale
Both Chi-To’s have excessive reload times that don’t make sense when compared to other vehicles with similarly power guns like the late Panzer IV’s, Fireflies, or 76 Shermans. The bustle rack should enable a comparable rate of fire.
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reason i say it there is cause it does have one other thing it reacts a bit a quicker the gun is a bit better at turning
I don’t see that. Aren’t its turret traverse and gun elevation speeds the same as those of the Panzer IV H and F2?
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SAV-20.12.48
Ground RB
4.0-> 4.7
zero reason to be its br genuinely insane tank above average filler same pen as a KV1 ZIS 5 and has a 1.2 second reload and is highly mobile can hold corners amazing well and can over pressure tanks up to 5.7 with its HE round its literally still broken its just a vehicle that encourages seal clubbing
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If the above-mentioned changes are made, its classification should be changed to medium tank, and its BR lowered to 7.3. This doesn’t seem much different from the AMX‑50/100.
11.2 for F2 11.5 for chi nu and same vertical its kinda noticeble not really i noticed it but i think its closest equal is not the F2 but the G model which has a 80mm front plate but a 30mm turret face so its basically the oppistie so 3.7 could happen but i think we should go to 4.0 see how it does there then see if it can go lower
Unfortunately, when looking at vehicle performance from the big data perspective, the impact of player skill level is just too significant.
Proposal for Reducing Reload Speed: Chi-To
Reload speed reduction:
- Ace Crew: 6.5 → 5.9 s
- Basic Crew: 8.4 → 7 s
Rationale:
According to testing, there is evidence of the 75 mm Type II Model II possessing a reload speed of at least 6 rounds per minute. Both the basic and aced crew reload times should be decreased, as a result. Additionally, similar vehicles like the Pz.IV J possess a lower reload, despite the Chi-To being 4.7
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Proposal for Reducing Reload Speed: Chi-To Late
- Ace Crew: 6.5 → 5.9 s
- Basic Crew: 8.4 → 7 s
Rationale:
According to testing, there is evidence of the 75 mm Type II Model II possessing a reload speed of at least 6 rounds per minute. Both the basic and aced crew reload times should be decreased, as a result. Additionally, similar vehicles like the Pz.IV J possess a lower reload, despite the Chi-To Late being 4.7. At this BR, the Chi-Nu II, Chi-To, and Chi-To Late consistently see more thickly-armored vehicles like the Panther and Jumbo Sherman, so the reduced reload would be both beneficial and historical.
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Imo player performance should be considered with nuance by Gaijin. Japanese tank mains tend to have more experience in the game
M15/42
2.7 → 2.3
Totally outclassed by its peers, it has neither the mobility nor armor to work around its low penetration like the AB 43 and Celere Sahariano are able to. Other 2.7 tanks like the T-50, Panzer III J1, and Crusader II totally dominate the M15/42 and leave it with no real niche to shine in.
The M14/41 (47/40) is incredibly similar in performance, yet sits at 2.3. Both could likely work fine at 2.0, but even just moving it to 2.3 would be a massive help as this would stop it from constantly facing T-34s, Shermans, and KV-1s that it is totally helpless against.
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I’m in agreement. If we were to rigorously balance based off player stats, copy+paste vehicles in different trees would end up entire BR ranges apart from eachother.
I would phrase “Japanese mains are better” a bit differently though. Germany is going to have a larger volume of players, and will be a more common pick by new players due to their vehicles being more iconic. I’d imagine the fact that the Chi-Nu II is paywalled while the Panzer IV’s are free also affects things.
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Italian RB Ground BR’s:
- M15/42: 2.7 down to 2.3. This is a very sad medium tank, and barely an improvement over the M14/41.
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French RB Ground BR’s:
- M4A3 (105): 3.0 up to 3.3. This thing is a low tier menace. The stats might not show it, but it’s an instance of submarining.
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French RB Ground BR’s:
- AMX-13-M24: No change, just make it Rank III. Seems like this was missed in the last BR thread.
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That’s definitely true. More experienced players would buy something like the Chi-Nu II, is what I should say. Or at the very least, be willing to grind through Japan, in comparison to the Big Three nations
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M13/40 (I)
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Arcade Battle BR: 1.7 → 1.3
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Realistic Battle BR: 1.7 → 1.3
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8 mm Reload Speed: 8.0 s → 3.5 s
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Add Granata mod.35 (HE)
Rationale
The M13/40 (I) has some armor, but the mobility is on the slower side, and the gun is very underwhelming in all regards except post-pen damage. There’s no reason this couldn’t be 1.3. The Pz.III F is at 1.3 and already smokes it in basically every single aspect (though I would also argue the Pz.III F stands to go up).
The short mg magazines make them unreliable for dispatching unarmored or open-topped vehicles. The HE round already found on the Semovente L40 would be a more reliable measure.
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