agreed, while we are at it lower the jaguar as well. For a complete 10.7 lineup
Then where do you wanna put the F104S/ASA to？
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Buc S1 isnt even that fast, most aircraft at 8.3 are already faster than it. The S2s get a notable engine upgrade.
Kinda of the opinion that the S1 should get air spawn too, but we’ll see if the BR reduction had the desired effect. (They could also add Napalm to the S1 and S2 )
Sweden RB Ground BR’s:
- Sherman III/IV: No change. This is a very strong premium, instead of knocking it up to 4.0 you can try fixing it first. This is not a Sherman IV (M4A3) hull but a Sherman IB (M4 105) which has the same 400hp engine and transmission of the M4 & M4A1. The hull is also modelled incorrectly, as the armour has been made to represent a single continuous piece. The MG weakspot is still there, it has just had a bit of metal welded over it.
The original turret has been put back on, you can clearly see the welded plate over the MG port. It’s not a single continuous piece.
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Vehicle: Mirage 2000D-RMV / Mirage 2000D-R1
Gamemode: Air Realistic Battles
BR Change: 12.7 → 12.0 /12.3 —> 11.7
Reason: The Mirage 2000D is a dedicated strike platform with no active radar missiles (ARH) and no semi-active radar missiles (SARH). At 12.0 it constantly faces fighters equipped with AIM-120, R-77, etc., while the 2000D only carries JUST TWO Magic 2 and has inferior flight performance. It cannot compete in BVR and lacks the energy retention to reliably win dogfights against dedicated fighters. Its air-to-ground capability does not justify a BR where it serves only as easy prey for radar-equipped opponents.
Vehicle: Tornado GR.4 & Tornado IDS SLE / Tornado IDS & Tornado GR.1 & Tornado MFG & Tornado WTD61
Gamemode: Air Realistic Battles
BR Change: 12.3 → 11.7 / 11.3 —> 10.7
Reason: All Tornado IDS variants are pure strike aircraft with zero radar-guided air-to-air missiles. They rely solely on short-range IR missiles like AIM-9L/M. At 11.3 they regularly encounter F-16s, MiG-29s, and Mirage 2000Cs with both radar missiles and far superior agility. The Tornado’s poor turn rate, enormous radar signature, and complete lack of BVR capability make it impossible to fight back. Gameplay is reduced to dying on the way to the target.
Additional comment: Attack aircraft without SARH/ARH capability should not share a BR with fighters that possess both radar missiles and better flight performance. The current placement makes these planes frustrating to play and discourages anyone from using them in Air RB. A BR reduction would at least allow them to operate in an environment where their limited self-defense options stand a chance.
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Napalm u say, shame youll always be second to the bases in both lol. They are both in desperate need of strike aircraft spawn along with the a10s and su 25s.
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I know, that’s the only mode i play it in
Vehicle: M26/M26T99/M26(France)/M26 D.C.Ariete/M26A1(Italy)
Mode: Ground RB
Br: 6.7 → 6.3
Reason: These normal Pershings’ cons:
Low mobility: as a medium tank, its PWR(12) is just a little bit better than the IS-2(11.2), way worse than the usual WW2/Korean war medium tanks, though the M26 having 48km/h on paper but mostly you can only reach that speed by driving downhills;
Weak firepower: after the ammo pen calculation formula changed in 2018, the T33 cannot pen Panther from long range no more (even in real life the US army tried it and successed), players have to choose from the 180mm pen M82 and low-damage M304,
Image the when the TigerPs going down 6.3, the M26s having almost same off-road speed, worse gun and armor, missed the 90mm gun reload buff, but get stayed at 6.7, this is rediculous, as the samely rediculous as removing T25’s stablizer and then immediatly move a nerffed T25 to 6.3.
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I’ve been playing the Ozelot recently and I dont think it would make any difference moving it down one step
Since I bought a premium aircraft a few years ago (Thach’s) at its stated battle rating, and now you’re changing the battle rating, can I get a refund please?
I agree with this one, devs please consider.
Just make M109G and M109A1 have the same BRs, they literally have the same velocity but at different BRs for whatever reason. M109G used to have the same low velocity as M109 hence the lower BR than M109A1 but then they buffed its velocity about a month after its addition without increasing its BR.
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just the 90% of the br changes are DELULU and totally wrong…
instead of hunting the churchills … and the zeros…
JUST do better job…
the majority of the br changes are bad for the overall health of the game… why ?
that changes line ups… and instead of fixing something… make it worst…
i am honestly curious DO YOU PLAY YOUR GAME??? DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT ARE YOU DO ??? i think you dont play and you dont understand anything… of what are you do…
you do a basic stats check… BUT still the KV1B and KV1E are at 4.3 AND NOT AT 5.0… and thats the intresting thing… and the KV1 ZIS-5 STILL IS AT 4.7 and NOT AT 5.3…
spits with the 7.3 guns…get on 3.3 ?! why ? on the ground???
zeros get higher and higher… and especially the TURD zero… the A6M6 that is too fat to turn…
the MB326 the free one gets at 7.7 and the premium dont even reach 7.3 why?
AH-1 is not on the list to get at 5.7??? a slow as hell airplane… and the same model as the AD2… that got 5.3??? cause carries zunis? the same time the IA58… sits at 4.7 instead the 5.7 or at least 6.0??? what…
a more modern agile and over powered airplane sits at low brs and nuke everyone???
MB157 on ground gets higher? why? it has any bombs? or something?
the tigers 2 and the IS 2 … why they have to play against the weak 5.7 Jumbos??? is good call? that?
do you believe you balance something here?
having a sherman with a 75 gun at the same br bracket with those tanks… ? !
and thats how you ruin the 5.0 and 5.3 … by lowering tigers 2 … and IS2…who had that amazing idea?
and why you JUST NOT LOWER at 0.7 from 1.0 the BR DIFFERENCE so the tiger 2 and is 2 dont battered by the heat shells??? is the question …
and at the same time… the T26E5 gets on 7.0… so this will be the one that will face NOW ON the 8.0 tanks…honestly what is the idea? what is the idea in a logical base and not … by the DATA … you get cause you have no clue … cause you dont play the game to see how sad is now days… how many people play 1 tank and leave… at 4.0 -5.0-6.0-7.0 and guess what those people are your data… amazing?
that is the worst BR changes EVER someone can do… cause … you are in thin ice and you have lost it …
you try to do something … extreme here.
spits gets higher br on ground??! are really that good? no … free kills most of the time if 2 250LB bombs get them higher… REMOVE THOSE the airplane never needed …
if you add something to make the game better and the next day you destroy it by make it higher br … JUST DONT DO IT… is better…
forshadow…
i see if those things come to live servers… that will roll back the 70% of them. at least… in the previous status… in 2-3 weeks… time frame.
no thought … make the game worst. gaijin thanks… for that… instead to look the problems and solve it you play br changes… for no real reason.
some airplanes ok fine…
why are you play the br changes… instead to focus on make the game more playable… i dont understand. please
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The Ariete being my most played vehicle of all time, and my personal favorite, no, no it doesn’t. 9.3 is perfectly fine for it.
It’s only counters are the magic 1 / SRAAM carriers, of which the Mirage IIIC @ 10.0 is the only real viable frame that can actually employ them well against this plane.
is a delulu br changes mate what ever you say… they dont play the game. they see data.
Give the Leopard 2a4 the DM33 shell (please). It’s incredibly difficult to play with it now, especially against the Soviet T-72 and T-80. The Leopard is forced to target a small weak spot in the T-80’s frontal armor or the barrel, while the T-80 can easily shoot anywhere in the hull and knock out the horizontal drive and everything else. The barrel doesn’t always break and the damage is sometimes is very weak. It’s unbalanced. I understand that the DM33 won’t penetrate their hulls, but at least it will deal more consistent damage.
I think you might need to edit this, but I do agree that the majority of these changes are pretty bad.
U shoud know, there are some tanks with weak gun still on 6.7BR, like normal M26,T4485.
If these tanks want pen Tiger II H turret, the only way is APCR.
Not only TigerIIH should be increased BR, but also the T34 should…
The issue of 6.7BR has persisted for several years.
Reducing a few vehicles BR won’t solve the problem.
Now BR decompression is absolutely necessary.
F-14A IRIAF to 13.7 is ludicrous and only makes sense if given R-73s. AIM-9P for an IR missile at 13.7 is genuinely insane.
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Vehicle: MH-60L DAP
Gamemode: Ground Realistic
BR Change: 11.0 —> 10.7
Reason: The MH-60L DAP is actually a fairly weak helicopter in terms of its overall capabilities. It doesn’t have a rotating gun turret, it’s very heavy, and it’s extremely difficult to evade SAMs because it constantly loses lift and drops altitude. On top of that, the U.S. doesn’t even have a comparable helicopter to support it at 11.0 .