Vehicle: Super AMX-30
Gamemode: Ground RB
BR Change: 9.3→9.0
Reason: With the change of Leopard 1A5, it’s safe to say the super AMX-30, which is comparable to the leo1a5, while being faster in mobility and worse in firepower and armor, should also go down in BR too.
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I’m a big fan of the Olifant Mk.2 and the Chieftain Mk.10, but I don’t feel the Olifant has any major weaknesses.
I’m not just talking about JUK. There are two 12.0 Phantoms in British Tech Tree. ONE OF THEM can go down to 11.7 by staying exactly the way it is. The other one can get 9Ls.
I don’t really care/mind which of these treatments the JUK gets. It can either get 9Ls or go down to 11.7
My point was one of the TECH TREE Phantoms going down, to create variety within tech tree
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Vehicle: Chi-Nu
Gamemode: Ground RB
BR Change: 3.3→3.0, or buff the japanese 75mm
Reason: The Chi-Nu is worse than a Panzer IV in every single way. It’s slower in mobility, it got a longer reload and a worse round, the armor is worse than a panzer IV, can get .50caled from the side. Before you can argue it’s also at 3.3 because the round has a better post-pen, which is true. But now with panzer IV going from 6 sec to 5 sec reload, Chi-Nu is just…
…well, it’s just bad. It’s worse in every conceivable way.
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Vehicle : Falcon
Gamemode : Ground Realistic Battles
Change : 8.3 —> 7.7(Remove Radar)
Reason : Falcon’s historically inaccurate radar should be removed, and its BR should be lowered.
This would also fill the gap in SPAA units in the BR 5.3–8.3 range.
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Yeah, kinda annoying the FGR2 is denied anything just because of concerns regarding BR changes, when there is literally an identical airframe at the same BR that can just not get said changes.
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God i HOPE we get these. And on the harries as well so i can larp during the next nuclear escalation event. That is if the harrier got the arm variant and not just the asm one.
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Yeah, would be good
With the MB326k going up AGAIN there will be basically no reason left to bring the c13. Please save my boy
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You would have made excellent point, if the MiG-23 can carry 2 more R-24s. Or if it carried R-73s. Since it only carries 2 good missiles, and paired with 4 very mid IR missiles. It’s fine at 11.7
F-4J/S, they get 4(or 6) very good mid range-BVR missiles. Yes they can be rolled around, but if the enemy does roll, they lose energy. The more they lose, the more easier targets they’ll be for your other Sparrows, which you carry aplenty.
The Phantoms are also capable of dogfighting by staying in a two circle rate fight, since that’s what they excel in.
If the MiG-23(MLD) is to go up to 12.0, it should get access to 2xR-73s along with the R-24s
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I just dont understand why they dont drop its BR back down to 4.7 but remove its air spawn.
That is the only bit that I think is actually OP about it.
Without that airspawn, I odnt think it would perform unreasonably well. It can just do a lot of damage before the enemy team can get close.
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Hmm, do people actually finds leo 1A5 sucks?
Vehicle: Wyvern S.4
Gamemode: Air Realistic
BR Change: 5.0 —> 5.0
Change: Remove Air Spawn
Reason: The Wyvern is a very effective aircraft in ARB because it is able to take out a base and a lot of ground targets before the enemy team has even really gotten airbourne. Rather than just increasing the BR forever as that does nothing to actually correct the issue here, they should just remove the air spawn. See what effect that actually has. Imo, it might even warrant a drop back down to 4.7.
It is also able to intercept other early attack aircraft quite effectively due to its canon loadout. This again is nullified by the removal of air spawn.
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With everything I’ve found, I don’t see a good reason why this can’t be added. The evidence, including information from the Tank Museum, supports these modifications. Dismissing them would also mean dismissing the Tank Museum as a credible source.
All F-84F 8.3 > 7.7
Like really, why are these 8.3? (btw only USA gets air spawn lol)
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Vehicle: AMX-32 (105)
Gamemode: Ground RB
BR Change: 9.3→9.0
Reason: With the recent decrease of Leopard 1A5…
…no, seriously, in the name of God, save this miserable tank. WHY is it now HIGHER than leo1a5???
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Once again I will give my thoughts on all of the changes for Air RB. This month’s BR changes seem to be a bit of a step back - the last time they came around they weren’t too bad (apart from overtiering all the prop turnfighters).
Undoubtedly people will complain about the F-14A IRIAF going to 13.7, but it is a good change. The avionics, IR missiles and even to a degree the flight performance are not 13.7 material, sure, but when balancing an aircraft every single aspect has to be balanced and not just the package as a whole. The Fakour-90s are simply far too pervasive to exist much lower than this. The strength of these missiles alone is what is justifying this battle rating. It’s the same thing as the A-10A not being fair at 9.7 on release - the plane on average was 9.7 material, but the AIM-9Ls were not, and so there was no justification for the plane to be at that BR.
The MiG-21 2000 going down is fine, the Python 3s are, after all, non IRCCM IR missiles that are easily flared. Being an entire BR above the MiG-21bis because two R-60s are swapped for Python 3s was not justifiable. The Python 3 is better than the R-60M, obviously, but at the end of the day they are both IR missiles that are easily defeated by flares.
The A-7K going down is also completely fine. The flight performance is non-existent. Just make sure not to put it down too much further since it will be facing a lot of flareless planes with its AIM-9Ls now.
The Ayit and Hunter F.6 are simply missile slingers. SRAAMs and AIM-9Ds have no business facing flareless subsonics and so these two going up is completely fine. Sure, the FMs are not great, and sure the missiles are not all aspect, but just as in the case with the F-14A IRIAF, everything about the vehicle needs to be balanced, and if the missiles are not, the best thing to do is move the vehicles up in BR.
The G.91 Y going up in BR saddens me, because I loved flying it at 9.0, but its probably reasonable. The flight performance, especially in terms of the energy generation, is way too strong to be facing 8.0, or even 8.3, vehicles. The difference between the AA-20 Nords on the G.91 Y and the AIM-9Bs on the G.91 YS is also not large enough to justify being a different BR, especially given how compressed this BR range is.
The HF-24 going down in BR is great. The energy generation, airspawn and guns are all very strong, but the manouevrability and the retention are just nowhere near strong enough to exist at 9.0. I might even pick this plane up if it goes down.
The Buccaneer S.1 going down is fine, I guess. It has no guns. Just make sure it doesn’t eventually end up being so low in BR because of this that it is untouchably fast (cough cough Yak-28)
The various Vautour species going down is also a great change. These vautour variants have strong energy generation and guns, but are way too stiff to be surviving at 9.0 in its current state. They are a little stronger than the interceptor version at 8.3 with its gimped elevators, and they might be somewhat playable now.
The MB-326K goes up in BR ONCE AGAIN! It isn’t surprising tbh, the FM is extremely manoeuvrable AND extremely ergonomic, it gets an airspawn and the guns are great. It absolutely excels at killing all the mouth breathers who try and dogfight you, but it actually is not all that strong. It isnt fast, whatsoever and the top end acceleration is not there despite the strong low speed acceleration. This is yet again another example of the fact that stat based balancing leads to bad decisions. Sure, the average player will do very very well in it due to the aforementioned reasons - the skill floor is extremely low, but being easy doesn’t make it good. You need to consider its actual strenghts and weaknesses and compare it to that of the enemy, compare how well it does when facing opponents who dont make mistakes, and where the skill ceiling is.
The Me 262 A-1/U4 going to 6.0 is absolutely egregious. Yes, the 50mm greatly limits the aircraft. Yes, it won’t be getting the most kills per game out of the BR bracket, but it will simply be unkillable. What BR would you put this vehicle at if it had no guns at all? 5.3? 4.7? 4.0? where do you draw the line and say “the vehicle must be able to be killed if the pilot decides they want to play passively all game”. What’s more, the 50mm is not as limiting as you might think it is in the hands of an experienced player. The velocity is good, and you have such an excess of speed that you can disengage and re-engage all you want until you eventually get a good shot. The He 162 is already enough of a problem at 6.0 - but at least the He 162 doesn’t have the best energy retention so it can be caught slow if the pilot makes a mistake. The 262 airframe will simply always be quick enough to disengage.
The A6M5 Ko, A6M5 Otsu, A6M6c, A6M3 Mod.22, Ki-100, A6M3 and the Spitfire Mk IIa are all simply too slow to justify being higher than where they currently are. The argument is basically the same as the one for the MB-326K. The same can partially be said about the Spitfire F Mk IX and the A7M1, but at least these two have a little bit more speed to work with, and strong climb rates. Yes, these planes do well, but is this because they are actually undertiered, or because they have low skill floors?
The Ki-87, Narval, Ju 388 J and the La-11 all are in the category of vehicles with very mediocre all around flight performance which are overtiered due to strong guns. Once again, strong guns is really only a factor to lower the skill floor of a vehicle, not to actually make it objectively undertiered. These going down is great.
The Tu-1, Su-8, Su-6 (M-71F), TIS MA, He 219 A-7 and Su-2 TSS-1 are all attack aircraft that were at a relatively high BR due to ground RB ability, so its nice to see them going down in Air RB now we have separated BRs for the various gamemodes.
On the other hand, the Wyvern S.4 going up is completely fine. It’s way too fast and whilst I don’t think guns alone really justify increasing a vehicles BR too much, having 1200 rounds of hispano 20mm and an airspawn is a bit much.
The B7A2 variants going up is VERY welcome. The guns are great, they turn extremely well and the airspawn is enormous. They still need to go up further (especially the Homare 23 version) aswell as having their airspawn reduced.
The Pyorremyrsky is incredibly strong. I always said it was fairly equal with the Yak-3 for the title of best 4.3 vehicle, so it makes sense that it is following the Yak-3 to 4.7. The M.B.157 is also incredibly strong right now with its increased ammo count.
This post is long enough. The rest of the BR changes are kind of eh. Pucara going up makes sense as does the B-230. MiG-3-15 going down does not make sense, Bf 109 C-1 going up does not make sense
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Ariete should be 9.7 at LEAST
(Ignore IS-2’s and FV4005)
I really don’t want to make separate posts for all of these when 6 of them are M44’s, 5 of them are M55’s, and 5 of them are M109’s. I really don’t think any of these SPG’s should be going down. The reason they’re doing bad statistically is because they don’t fit the game. They will keep going down because these artillery vehicles aren’t designed to be used as tank destroyers.
It doesn’t really matter where they go, because they’re going to one-shot practically everything and be killed by practically everything.
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If the Yak-130 is going to be moved up to 9.7, atleast give it it’s countermeasures, it should not be facing IR missiles with IRCCM and have no countermeasures