They arent just pointless without decompression, they are pointless
If they go ahead and reduce all those BRs, all that ends up happening is way more compression, making the game even more unbalanced than it currently is
I don’t think mb-326k deserves 8.0 br really. Yeah, 4 x 30mm in 7.7 is impressive and getting an air spawn is great but plane itself is just ok-ish.
Yeah. 5.7 and 6.3 are about to become a nightmare.
Vehicle: F16AM (Swe, Fr) F16 OCU (thai )
Gamemode: air realistic
BR Change: 13,7 —> 13,3
Reason:It’s absurd for these planes to have the same BR as the F-16C and Gripen—and a higher BR than the Su-30MKK/MK2; they should be grouped with the JF-17 and F-16 ADF/MLU.
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Vehicle: F15A/J/Baz
Gamemode: air realistic
BR Change: 12,7 —> 13,0
Reason:This plane should never have left13.0.
It was a mistake to lower this plane’s BR, especially the F-15J, which has the same loadout as the premium F-2 but sits 0.3 BR lower.
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I will separate these and add to this over the next few days. I understand Gaijin wants vehicles individually. Think of this as a quick reference.
British RB Ground BR’s:
- A1E1 Independent: 1.3 down to 1.0. Terrible armour for a heavy tank, worse than many nations light tanks even at 1.0. Terrible mobility. Massive target. 3-Pdr gun isn’t a redeeming factor either, it’s not the worst gun in the game, but due to all the other factors combined it’s made much worse. Please also fix the Soviet level gun depression.
- SARC IVa: 1.3 down to 1.0. It’s fast, and that’s kinda it. If you compare it to the Daimler it shares a BR with, it loses in almost every respect. Worse armour, no shoulder stabiliser, gun is incredibly bouncy and kicks like a mule after firing, worse gun elevation and depression angles, and it’s open-topped.
- Valentine I: 2.7 down to 2.3. I don’t see why this went up. It’s clearly worse than the Matilda in nearly every way. I would drop this back down to 2.3 and reclassify it as a Heavy Tank.
- Valentine XI: 2.7 up to 3.0. I agree with this one, M61 APHE was a decent jump in performance and I think it’s time to move this variant up. I would also reclassify this as a Heavy Tank.
- Valentine IX: No change in BR. Just reclassify it as a Heavy Tank and finally implement my 6-Pdr bug report. It should have the 6-Pdr Mk V.
- Crusader AA Mk I: No change in BR. Just fix the M81A1 ammo, it should be APBC.
- Churchill Mk. I: 3.3 down to 3.0. The 2-Pdr is horrendous at this point, mainly due to the lack of mobility to flank. Even taking it in downtiers it struggles to penetrate Pz. IV F2’s with add-on track armour, Pz. III M’s, M4A3 105’s, etc. This would be a side-grade to the 3" Gun Carrier, the Gun Carrier has very similar armour but has a better gun in a casemate.
- AEC AA: 3.7 down to 3.3. The only good thing about this vehicle is that it’s enclosed, I don’t understand why you keep overvaluing this. The Oerlikon’s aren’t great guns. You’re just making the low tier British SPAA gap worse.
- Cromwell V & Cromwell V (RP-3): No change. Big disagree here. This is in no way on the same level as the M4A2. No stabiliser, no .50 cal, worse armour, and no APCR. The only thing the Cromwell V beats the M4A2 at is speed. You just moved it to 3.7, I suggest waiting for the winrate and KD to stabilise a bit more and see if it’s still overperforming by the next BR change round.
- Crusader AA Mk II: 4.0 down to 3.7. I don’t understand why this vehicle even went up. Just compare it to the Wirbelwind, far less rate-of-fire, less penetration, and half the guns. The only advantage the Crusader AA Mk. II has is an enclosed turret and more mobility. The 2 were very asymmetrically balanced.
- Churchill Mk. III: 4.0 down to 3.7. Less mobility than the Churchill Mk. I, same hull armour, and worse turret armour (only 3.5 inches compared to 4 inches). The gun is better, but that’s it. It also has the wrong 6-Pdr, it should have the 6-Pdr Mk III.
- A33: 4.0 up to 4.3. “Excelsior” saw a massive jump in performance with APHE and needs to go up. Also, the mantlet needs to be fixed. It should be the same 3.5" as the Crusader, Cromwell, and Churchill. I honestly expect this to eventually go to 4.7 with the T14, it’s just a shame it’s impossible to get.
- Churchill NA75: 4.3 down to 4.0. It’s more of a side-grade over the Churchill Mk. III, not a direct upgrade. You lose the good rate-of-fire, lose the shoulder stabiliser, and lose a decent amount of penetration for a better damaging shell. That’s the only difference, the shell is good but if the Churchill Mk. III goes down then the NA75 should as well. You still haven’t fixed the secondary MG either.
- Churchill VII & Crocodile: 4.7 up to 5.0. It’s sad to say, but I agree with this, M61 was a massive jump in performance. Even though the penetration is only like 2mm better APHE means you can now cupola snipe and even previously “bad shots” will kill the enemy. The biggest issue is the Churchill VII no longer having a line up, now players will be forced to drag up their 4.7 line up or drag the Churchill to 5.3.
- Comet: 5.3 down to 5.0. It’s really a shadow of its former self. The A30 Challenger is a better vehicle in almost everyway. Just compare the Comet to the VK 3002 (M). This would also give the Churchill VII a line up.
- AC IV: 5.3 down to 5.0. It’s just a slightly better Firefly. Again, just compare it to the VK 3002 (M). This would also give the Churchill VII a line up.
- Skink: 5.3 down to 4.7. Just like the Crusader AA Mk. II really don’t understand why it keeps going up. Again, just compare it to the Wirbelwind, you still have less firepower and penetration but now have the double the guns of the Crusader AA Mk. II, and the same amount of guns as the Whirbelwind. Is that really worth a BR increase of 1.3 currently (4.0 to 5.3)?
- Tortoise: 6.7 down to 6.3. Just compare it to the T28, very similar vehicles except the Tortoise is covered in weakspots, lacks APHE, and just as slow. Fix the armour, add the missing APDS, and the other minor reports missing engine wall and armoured bins. If all of these are done it won’t need to go down.
- Centurion Mk 3: 7.7 down to 7.3. It’s overshadowed by the Centurion 5/1, “Action X”, Caernarvon, and Conqueror. There’s no reason to take it over these vehicles. Just compare it to the FV4202 and it’s actually quite similar.
- Falcon: 8.3 down to 7.7. It’s terrible compared to the Chieftain Marksman. Worse firepower, worse radar, worse armour, and it’s not even more mobile. The only thing it has over the Marksman is its smaller size. After removing the APDS it’s dropped massively in win rate and KD. It’s time.
- Vijayanta: 8.3 down to 8.0. This thing really is just a worse Vickers MBT Mk 1. Without the LRF there’s no reason for a slower vehicle to be 0.3 higher than the TT counterpart even with the HEATFS.
USA RB Ground BR’s:
- M4A3 (105): 3.0 up to 3.3. This thing is a low tier menace. Along with the StuH 42 G and SU-122. This isn’t just about balance, this change is also about new player retention. As a low tier enjoyer I can tell you squads love this tank.
- T18E2: 3.3 up to 3.7. Just the increase to 3.3 was not enough. This thing is equivalent to the Ram II or Cromwell I. On StatShark this thing was sitting at a winrate of 61.3% last month.
German RB Ground BR’s:
- StuH 42 G: 3.0 up to 3.3. This thing is a low tier menace. Along with the M4A3 105 and SU-122. This isn’t just about balance, this change is also about new player retention. If new players are constantly getting wrecked by overpowered tanks they’re going to drop the game. You could also give it the missing ammo, see spoiler below.
Spoiler
Sweden RB Ground BR’s:
- Sherman III/IV: No change. This is a very strong premium, instead of knocking it up to 4.0 you can try fixing it first. This is not a Sherman IV (M4A3) hull but a Sherman IB (M4 105) which has the same 400hp engine and transmission of the M4 & M4A1. The hull is also modelled incorrectly, as the armour has been made to represent a single continuous piece. The MG weakspot is still there, it has just had a bit of metal welded over it.
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Vehicle: mirage 2000C S4/S5
Gamemode: air realistic
BR Change: 12,3 —> 12,7
Reason:It was a real struggle getting this plane up to 12.7, only for gaijin to compress it back down again.
This plane has good missiles and a decent radar; the S5 even has MAWS. Why keep it at 12.3? That’s only 0.3 BR higher than the Mirage F1C—seriously…
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Vehicle: F-16A (US/Netherlands/Norway)
Gamemode: Air Simulator Battles
BR Change: 12.7 —> 12.3
Reason:
In the January BR changes the Netz and Netz (Mod) were moved down to 12.3 BR in ASB, meanwhile all of the Aim-9L only F-16As stayed at the higher 12.7 BR despite being objectively worse in armaments, with the Netz having the superior Python 3 missiles, and in the case of the Netz (Mod) having more than triple the countermeasures and even GBU-31 JDAMs, making them a straight upgrade at a lower BR which makes no sense, with no argument for it. And at 12.7 they now have to fight F-15A/Js with irccm and radar missiles, and F-14B/Ds with fox 3 missiles, which is very unfair. So they should be moved down as well.
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Vehicle: su27SM
Gamemode: air realistic
BR Change: 13,7—> 14,0
Reason:If it’s claimed that the late F-18C is too strong for 13.7, and the Mirage 2000-5F as well, why does the Su-27SM, which has capabilities very similar to the late F-18C, remain at 13.7?
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It’s flat out better than the hornet lol
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You have to use euphemisms so you don’t scare the snail.
The argument could be made for the following…
Rafale to 15.3BR
F15GE to 14.7BR
Gripen E to 14.3BR
Premium Su-30s to 13.7BR
Specifically in Air RB
If these were done as a set the top end of Air RB would be balanced IMO.
However that would leave everything underneath it needing decompression.
Rafale, euro aesa and sm2
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Don’t forget Netzs too. Why does gaijin still thinks python3 is god tier missile while ‘single’ flare can make it useless? Come on man. (fixed typo)
I’ll admit I don’t know a lot about the sm2 however, I don’t think the EFT AESA is on par with the Rafale. Though, I could be wrong.
As usual, never any attention for sim
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British phantoms have much worse radar and worse radar missiles, plus no hmd which is definitely useful. Youve definitely never played them.
Both Netz should get Derby missiles and a BR change IMO.
Vehicle: MiG-29SMT (9-19)
Gamemode: Ground Realistic/Simulaltor
BR Change: 12.3 → 12.0
Reason: Unlike the MiG-29M/KR, it has only two air-to-surface missile attachment points.
EFT Needs bug fixes and it would be fine