it got rejected
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lmao
yeah was obvious that this will get rejected
lmao, bro even prepare a russian source to prove that their “correction” is wrong and still be rejected
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none of those are actual sources, blogs and wikipedia arent sources, also comparing missiles isnt really a way to prove one is underperforming. Dont get me wrong, i want them to revert this shit, but its up to them.
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yea i know, this fix is suck.
Most of the time, we can only prove it wrong, but we cannot provide accurate and convincing information that can convince Gaijin. Gaijin would rather keep using the wrong and outrageous data than adopt obviously more realistic modification suggestions.
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If you cant provide accurate and convincing information, then how are you proving it wrong?
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for PL-12, 25G<38G, so gaijin made a mistake
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Sure but 38G is what they claimed to begin with as a max pull rate on the missile thats not really based on anything other than what they felt like, so if they redid the pull rates based on new information presented to them and ended up with a pull rate less than 38G is that not the stat card being wrong rather than the missile itself messing up? and once again if you do not have evidence or proof about something that is accurate how can you tell them they are wrong?
So you think the 38G is completely unfounded?
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Not to answer your question with a question but what makes you believe in it being founded in something?
Because the manufacturer of PL-12 has repeatedly stated that the overload capacity of PL-12 is 38G.
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I believe the 38G figure isn’t made up by Gaijin, so it’s something that is valid.
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This same source was used for the weight for PL-12A. Sources for the 38G figure for the PL-12 can also be found probably, before this was even posted, but Gaijin already knows of those very likely.
In any case, it seems that according to people testing and even testing with custom missiles, the missile right now is not really capable of pulling anywhere close to that anymore. Apparently only up to around 25G or so. I do not know how extensive people have tested it, but you could technically build a max G-load to speed graph for various altitudes and find that the maximum G load can not be achieved anywhere close.
For reference, the AMRAAM has sources for the 35G figure it has. While many rightfully say the AMRAAM is not maneuverable enough, in Gaijin’s defense, at least the AMRAAM can somewhat reach close if not actually hit that figure. I’ve seen AMRAAM hit 30G at least for sure if given enough speed. PL-12 currently can not get anywhere close to its sourced 38G figure, at any condition.
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For instance, it maybe able to hit higher if it was faster, but idk.
PL-12A given more speed apparently instead locks up and starts pulling less than its optimum speed, where it still pulls considerably lower than the 38G figure.
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That first image with all do respect just looks like a picture from whatever the Chinese version of twitter is and not something respectable, so once again if we don’t have a valid true source which no one is producing yet then how can we say that number was right to start with, which is my point perhaps its not the missile that is underperforming but the stat card is just wrong now and wasn’t changed to reflect what it should be.
then show us this please?
its from the AVIC the dudes who make the missile lmao
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I agree at least that normally this wouldn’t fly, but this is one of the only sources at all on the PL-12A. Sources like these, likewise photos from some exhibition show, were accepted because of this. This was posted also by, idk, the manufacturers of the missile itself, so it’s not completely non credible. But in this case there’s otherwise literally nothing else. The addition of the PL-12A was already quite dubious, considering there’s so little known.
You can find more in this thread, but the linked post specifically has some more sources regarding the PL-12 family of missiles:
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