you guys want a damn solution??
just put the pantsir at 12.7 and put other comparable vehicles at the same BR such as the leopards and the top strvs and leclercs and abrams and type 10s and what not
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Yet Russian players said German OP because of a single tank while they stuck with AMRAAM Phantoms
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Can we make a petition to remove dumb threads that are related to “petitions” involving the so-called “Removal” of Insert Vehicle here?
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Gaijin should replace the current pantsir with the Arctic variant. This one doesn’t have a gun so it cant destroy any tanks or low flying aircraft. That should make it balanced.
If you get to the base of all my perspectives, they all start off with trying to survive matches.
And moving up from there.
Support, aggression, etc.
1- They aren’t, and they don’t even have anywhere close to the best heli AGMs.
Rooivalk says hi, while being a lower BR than Ka-52 despite being superior in anti-tank role.
2- Drone range isn’t that impactful.
3- They aren’t, and it doesn’t matter when SPAA only goes to 14km against jet targets.
Only if ALL CAS go up by 1.0 BR in ground battles.
Top BR CAS is already unkillable with Pantsir present.
Unbalanced, although having 18 missile, the cool looking uncommon and unique design make the enemy distract with this configuration.
Jokes apart, that actually would be a higher BR probably if added. I may be wrong but I doubt it uses the same Pantsir-S1 95Ya6.
There’s also the Tor-M2DT which is the same Tor but in a articulated chassis.
I’m not much of a ground rb player because I hate getting CAS’d. But if gaijin is unwilling to add SPAA options as effective as the pantsir to all the other trees, I think it should be artificially nerfed till other nations get on parity.
Although I don’t enjoy buffs or nerfs that deviate from realism, gaijin will never remove the vehicle, but if nerfing isn’t on the table, at least make the spawn cost A LOT higher to compensate.
Another good option that won’t fly because Gaijin is to raise the BR the same way you bring CAS above 11.7 to top tier while facing teams with higher BR CAS too. why not make the pantsir higher in BR?
And while we’re at it take some of the top tier tanks higher along with it because top tier ground is more compressed than a black hole.
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Can move around with your hand vs need clear lock for entire missile flight times i say the first is way better also vikhr are travel in straight line make it easier to control and has air burst fuze
Saying Hellfire like missile better than vikhr one is completely dumb (irl Hellfire are better yes)
If it can interrupt fighter from 15km during CAP missile it still count as advantage no matter how you said
ever dogfight 17km away from battlefield against other fighter and had to dodge 3 Pantsir at the same times at ALT like 5000 meter? While my team AA can’t do sht to help? lucky i was a Gripen that match so i manage to survived that beat the sht out of that SU-27 and that before fox 3
That huge advantage that people and you overlook
I’ve used the F-16ADV on Euro Province and had over 12 Pantsir missiles launched on me and all I had to do was stay above mach 0.9, and I was well within 12km for most of it.
That sht is better than three of them shooting at you while you dogfight with other fighter jet and that 17km away none of my team AA can help me all one solution left that time is end it fast (which i did)
Pansir actually has worse g overload than most other top tier AAs, such as Germany, Sweden, China, etc.
Pretty much Italy is the worst in game.
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That’s because your team probably 1 life’d, the pansir has range, that’s pretty much it.
The pansir has -1 gun depression for its guns… you literally have to let it kill you to die to one.
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That why i said huge advantages that people overlooked
Because they keep getting nerfed constantly because of “player Input”
The KA-50/ 52 /Mi-28NM all used to be cheaper sp to spawn, it got nerfed and made far higher, for the aspect of having “proxy fuse ATGMs”.
They have also had their penetration nerfed. (Which they really should bring it back to 1000m to its realistic stat considering all the nerfs.)
Now those Vikhir over G really easily.
The OP Russian plane guided munitions you complain about, well… we only get 2, typically they only kill you if you sit still. Move maybe?
Let’s take a look at say, the USA tech tree, where most USA planes can carry between 2-6 if not more, TV guided weapons over their Russian counterparts.
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I still don’t understand what your trying to say to be honest.
I’ve also gotten a pantsir double kill in A-4E by just dropping walleyes then dying. They were both the average Russia main who had 0 idea how to move or shoot down a slow bomb flying in a predictable path
Sometimes the radar can be jank. In my experience at least, I’ll have enemy ordnance locked, fire at it, then my lock swaps to their plane :/
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Dogfight against su-27 at 17km away from battlefield and got fire upon by 3 pantsir force me to dodge tree of them and fighting su-27 at the same time while my AA can do nothing to help me because it can’t reach can imagine how annoying that was now?
Well at least Gripen serve me well manage to beats that su-27 and survived unharmed thanks to Gripen agility and average skills of RU main lol