Petition for remove or nerf pantsir s1

The F-16C can in fact, pick up the pansir, they pull high g turns when I fire at them, and they evade my missile one after the other then I get slammed by a Jdam or something

The F-16C can only detect the search radar, not the tracking radar. If they just pull G’s it’s probably either because they saw your launch (smoke trail, targeting pod) or they hear the missile getting close (at long ranges you can hear the missile approaching quite well, at closer ranges it’s usually useless as closure rates will be too high to react though).

If they are just pulling Gs otherwise, that’s probably because they literally do not know you launched but dodge preemptively because they see S1 (search radar) on their RWR so they expect that a missile can appear at any moment. But I suspect it’s because they just saw you launch visually.

The only aircraft that can detect K-band (what the pantsir’s tracking radar uses) are the Su-25SM3 and a bunch of helicopters.

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Well most of the top tier pilots usually know to fly to the ground immediately regardless of what aa is on the enemy team, otherwise your a free kill.

funny how you complain about the german top SAM when its not even german.
the french and swedish have the ITO-90M which has 8 VT-1s STOCK while the flarakrad has to grind from the roland 3s and still only gets 2

they recently said with the br changes that the VT-1 will be stock but it still doesnt change the past

also the 50G value for the VT-1 is only during its 5-10 second ??? flight duration

I would say that the 50G is for like 4s, after that it drops drastically. 95 is simmilar, also around 4s to drop maneuverability.

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Well if yours drops from 50gs pretty quick imagine what happens to the 35g pansir aam.

The flakrakrad definitely gets a reload, I’ve seen them shoot at my Mi-28NM multiple times

You’re quite literally talking like a condescending ass just because you’ve nolifed the worst part of this game more than razervon

You thought Hunter the youtuber how to do CAS?

takes a whole 5 seconds (not counting turret alignment time)

I largely didn’t. I told him 2 things that he applied to his knowledge early on, but that’s about it.

They are modeled realistically and your… annoyed / mad at that?

The Pansir can’t defend itself vs tanks, but I’m not mad about it… so…

How about a betetr idea and ask gajin to add HARM and SEAD wepons to both sides to jets that are quite very very underperforming because 80% of there systems and purpose cant is not moddeld?
Then some jets could a thing and keep some sam´s in check or rather we have a cat and mouse game. if only one and one is in the air. But to keep in mind its not always 1 on 1 but its CAS spam vs one or two anit airsystems because nobody ever spawns in those.

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FlaRakRad got changed and no grind needed. You have imidatly the good missles.

Do you recall, the Flak was king for YEARS? Because what, it stood uncontested for 2~3 years? With the best range for those years. Guess what, you’ll get something new soon.

Germany, USSR, and Italy were supposed to get a new aa system.

To be honest with you, FlaRakRad was a breath of fresh air back then, considering how Ka-50s and 52s had used to be nigh untouchable if your missile wasn’t fast enough to jump them, and the Vikhrs at the time were far more busted than they are today.

Germany, USSR, and Italy were supposed to get a new aa system.

Osa ain’t a replacement for the FlaRak/Pantsir, it’s a side-grade at best for the former, and a straight up downgrade for the latter (its missiles are literal bricks and unless we get the M3 variant, they’ll also have less range).

it stood uncontested for 2~3 years?

FlaRak’s reign had lasted for only about ~8 months before ItO-90Ms got added and dethroned it… (October 2020 - > June 2021).

And have Gaijin unlock all of the air tech tree for the ground tree you’re playing so that you can actually fly jets, right? Because otherwise you’re just saying “grind twice as long just to have something that can counter CAS.”

No one said anything about being annoyed or mad.
I was drawing comparisons.
You seem to have forgotten that.

And Pantsir can defend itself to a certain extent with its guns.
FlaRakRad cannot even do that.

Still insist these are two equal platforms?

And even as a USSR main, I don’t think those heli nerfs were bad. The recent ones with avionics are terrible ngl, but for the sake of balance and realism the nerfs before hand were good.

The Flak definitely stood king a bit longer than that.

Oh the Pantsir can, can it? Willing to prove that? -1 gun depression on a very high frame pretty much means the enemy has to be above you.

As for the flak, it can over pressure enemy tanks fairly well, it’s certainly no Adats, but everything has its pros and cons.