I never said it was immune 100% the Z10 is iirc the only really 100% immune type helicopter but the MI28 is still protected by its LDIRCM more often then not making IR only systems worthless
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yeah no because that would give russia the kh59mk2 and kh69 who are equivelant or better than the agm-158
That’s my point brother lol No one wants that innthe game itd be terrible for all. Its bad enough I feel bad for russian players when i obliterate thier whole team with my Japanese SU30 those missiles are already broken.
do you really ? are you sure there no joy behind that face when you kill a buk with kh38 ?
Basically everything that has a working radar. And everything that can hide its launchers directly behind buildings. Every Saclos spaa that can actually shoot down helis. What do you need 70 km range for (though the BUKs actual range in wt is more like 50 km…at sea level targeting ww2 bombers) if the overwhelming amount of cas runs is under 10 km distance or even sub 6 km. In a time window where your radar wont pick up the threat let alone turn the launchers (unless you control the launchers directly). And thats not even considering ldircm helis which are basically immune if they just stay low, or hover, or notch and chaff incoming missiles.
Its literally one of the worst top tier SPAAs judging from its all time stats, only rivalled by the Type 03, which in missile specs is the closest to the BUK but also barely has targets at the ranges it is designed for. While having glaring downsides compared to the buk but also advantages (Better radar, vertical launch). Compare that to the SAMP-T which has dual stage missiles that accelerate insanely quick, with launchers that can immediately fire while sitting behind a building completely safe and an awesome radar where you can engage most targets directly from 3rd person view of the radar vehicle (and just switch to the radar menu after and easily engage all the ordinance fired) the BUK is just an absolute sadmobile. And its stats show that too
As to whats more scary: SAMP-T, IRIS-T, probably NASAM-3 (but cant say for sure since i dont have that yet), Sky Sabre, HQ11, even the cursed spyder has better stats and facing ldircm helis: Literally every saclos spaa is way scarier than the buk (which can only hope to interecept missiles until it runs out of missiles itself)
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I honestly hate using the Buk-M3, I love the missile because of the explosive filler, good seeker, and really good speed, but I’d always rather use the NASAMS 3 because the Buk’s radar absolutely sucks at pinging on radar and tracking targets if the target is flying low.
Yeah i can imagine. I mean yeah Buk has the best or one of the best missiles (insanely fast, long range, biggest proxy radius and tnt yield with some lofting and smallest notch window together with the type 03 missile) but what does that help if basically everything else of the system is lacking? Best missile in the world is useless if its linked to an absolutely dogwater radar vehicle that only finds targets when its already too late.
I wish they would add the goofy S-300VM, but to my knowledge, the only S-300 system that uses a single radar for both track and search is the S-300PMU-2
He’s basically hovering…1 m/s closure rate which, as everyone knows is the irl no1 strategy to be absolutely invincible to pd radars. Though i wouldnt trust on that if i were a heli pilot.
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Eurocopter black magic
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Well, the heli managed to reach the multi path height which killed your missiles track. Plus, it wasn’t really moving so the track was screwed up anyways and Helicopter blades don’t have Radar cross sections modeled that would usually track a non/slow moving target.
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i think hes above multipath height which you can judge by the soft lock window which will wander off the target if he was. But youre right, hes basically static…1m/s closure rate which in itself is enough to turn him invincible to pd radar missiles (that and maybe a combination of maws system also launching chaff)
I saw that I forgot to mention that I meant the first missile or two were caused by the heli’s basically static movement
buk system is a joke sometime, took 3 missile for the 4 one to track and not eat ground
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Its not moving, so SAM’s doppler radar likely can’t lock it??? When I use radar guided AMRAAMs from one of my jets, the results are also bad. Maybe it would have worked with TWS hard lock (if datalinking the SAM is possible). I shot down some helis with TWS lock, should work.
You should know the limitations of radar missiles. Ingame, shooting hovering helis close range is not what BUK was made for. Well, IRL it would work, cause the rotors light up every doppler related radar…but ingame moving rotors aren’t considered. Sadly, otherwise jets could deal much easier with helis.
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This isn’t exclusive to BUK, welcome to slow small targets on radar SPAA
I find giving all your money to the snail makes this happen maybe a smidge less
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maps too small for what we already have let alone that
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Arh systems are a joke in general
Oh there is lots of joy using the bias against Russia lol