if you can read i said above that this is the ONLY 100% fake i said i dont know about the others and the photo with the men in front is real and shows how the put the 88m in the turret is it a crime to ask official documents proving that existed? (specialy fromthe soviets that they were the enemy force and they didnt had a reason to lie )
You decided to argue… but now you cannot back your claim, backtracking and admitting that you don’t have any proof to confirm anything. Oh, democracy… did not bless you today.
Also, the 88mm flak gun was proven wrong cause we found the original picture confirming it was photoshopped.
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You can just watch the two newsreels from the Latvian State Archive of Audiovisual Documents | Latvijas Nacionālais arhīvs
Here are the videos.
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thats actual proof
thats how you do research i didnt know this videos existed
bro i am saying that for like 1 hour
You have not yet shown which image was photoshopped and its original image.
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i dont have the original
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Did I use that photo to support my claim?
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And where exactly is this image used in this suggestion?
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Honestly a good point
I did provide an official Soviet document stating they received a T-34-88, a T-34 with an 88 mm cannon, and an official German document stating that they installed 85/88 mm Flak (r) guns in captured Soviet AFVs in my original post.
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my mistake i didnt see them
Most of them images are from new reels from post war capture yards not photoshopped
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That one was infamously fake none has ever denied that
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PS: Any German Speaker reading this, please help me verify.
After a further investigation, it seems not everything stated in the telegram happened on 30th or 31st March 1945.
For the “Commander-in-Chief, Colonel General von Vietinghoff, after a briefing by the anti-tank staff officer (Stopak), ordered that the installation be carried out as quickly as possible.” part, it must have taken place before the 10th March 1945, as Colonel General Heinrich von Vietinghoff was reassigned to command Army Group C on 10th March 1945.
Source: Heinrich von Vietinghoff - Wikipedia
For “The army then had the installation and firing trials carried out by Tank Workshop Company 926 in Libau, and these were successfully completed. The remaining guns are on their way to Libau.” part, according to another telegram named 'FS Abgabe von Geschützen aus Festung Windau” , the remaining guns may have in the process of sending to Libau around 20th March 1945, as the 85/88 mm Flak(r) guns had already been handed over to Tank Workshop Company 926.
The 20th March 1945 telegram referred to another telegram, reference number 410/45. We can further narrow its sending date by comparing the reference numbers and sending dates of other telegrams. It can be deduced that the 410/45 telegram was sent between 8th February 1945 (Nr. 361/45) and 18th February 1945 (Nr. 458/45).
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Colonel General von Vietinghoff most likely issued his order via telegram Nr. 410/45 sent between 8th February 1945 and 18th February 1945, or even via a prior one sent on an earlier date.
If this theory is true, the first conversion would have taken place much earlier than the 30th or 31st March 1945. In that case, the first conversion could happen before the formation of A.Pz. Abt . 16 (Beute).
In that case, SU-88 would be the first AFV to be converted, as the T-34s were only listed as operation ready in the 28th March 1945 Deployed Units Overview Table, while the two Beute-StuGs in A.Pz.Abt.16 (Beute) were already as operation ready in the 5 March 1945 Table and very likely took part in the Sixth Battle of Courland in March and was mission-killed in combat.
Otherwise (if everything besides Colonel General von Vietinghoff’s issued order happened no earlier than 31st March 1945), SU-88 would take part in the Seventh Battle of Courland Pocket in April and was mission-killed in combat.
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Skimming through the HD scans of those two newsreels again. It seems that the Tactical Numbers of the alleged SU-88 and T-34-88 were 511 and 512, respectively.
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last WW2 vehicle to be added to War Thunder 🥀
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It’s funny because it’s true.
It’s also sad because it’s true.
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Remember, they still didn’t add StuG IV, not to mention Jagdpanzer IV (late), with the L/70 version front Armor into the game.
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