Panzer II Ausf. D

[Ghostmaxi]

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I would like to suggest the Panzer II Ausf. D, the first generation of Panzer II with tortion bar suspention and goal of speed and manuverability.

History:
In 1938 the contract to redevelop the Panzer II with the goal of high speed and manuverability was given to MAN. The result beeing the Pz II Ausf. D (And E, difference beeing lubrecated tracks instead of the dry tracks), which were given to light devitions.

Main changes to the vehicle included the reposition of Engine and transmition from the right side to the center, new tortion bar suspention with 4 big wheels on each side and new monolithic 30mm Frontal armor instead of the previous 14,5mm (with add on armor). While the weight increased to 10 ton, duo the improvements it still was now able to reach 55 km/h.
These were build from 1938 to April 1939 with 43 Ausf. D and 7 Ausf. E, which saw service until April 1940 when they were called back to be rebuilt to be Flammpanzer and then again in 1942 again to be the Marder II (7,62 cm).

In game it would be inbetween the Ausf. C and F, while having similar armor to the Ausf. F, it has higher speed however still uses the slower fireing KwK 30 instead of KwK 38. It will offer a new relativly adequat protected but fast gameplay and be the normal counterpart to the Marder II (7,62 cm) if it comes to the game someday.

Pictures:(Click to show.)

Stats:
Gun:
2 cm KwK 30 L/55
180 Rounds, 280 Rpm, 10 round mags.
-10° to +20° 360° travers 25°/sec and higher.
Ammo:

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AP:

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Pzgr. L`Spur. o.Zerl. (Ph.) (ApI-T) 0,148kg 800m/s 37mm/10m

Note: Used against ground targets. Soft and armored. 3g White Phosphor Core.
Were fully replaced by the empty ones and later .Zerl in the Desert and other hot places, as the Phostphor had a nasty tendicy to self ignite in hot weather.
The Ph. marked ones were standart with the filler, however they also existed with an O. which indicated they didnt have a filler and were only 143g (and 805 - 810 m/s).

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Pzgr. L'Spur zerl. (Aphe-T Sd) 0,148 kg 800m/s 2,4g Pent 35mm/10m

NOTE: Against ground and air tragets. Soft and armored.
It does NOT have a fuze, the filler is for self destruction, in game it would also explode upon impact when shattering, like the japanese 30mm Aphe.

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Pzgr. 40 L`Spur. o.Zerl. (HVAP-T) 0,100kg 1050m/s 62g core 12x45mm 50mm/10m

Note: Only used against heavy armored targets, where the standart Ap ammo does not penetrate.

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He:

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Sprgr. L`Spur. m.Zerl. (Hefi-T Sd.) 0,120kg 900m/s 6,2g Pent (10,54g) 5mm/10m

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Sprgr. Erd. o.L'Spur. o.Zerl. (He) 0,120kg 900m/s 11g Pent (18,7g)

Note: Only against groundtargets.
(Couldnt find the correct drawing, the Br.Sprgr. o.L’Spur is basically the same, just different filler with Zink.

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Armor:

Armour	Front	Sides	Rear	Roof
Hull	30 mm (11°) Front plate
	20 mm (73°) Front glacis
	35 mm (36°) Bottom glacis	20 mm	15 mm	15 mm
Turret	30 mm	15 mm	15 mm	10 mm

Source:
Thomas L.Jentz, Hillary Louis Doyle: Panzer Tracts No. 2–3 – Panzer II Ausf. D–F
Deutsche Panzer im Zweiten Weltkrieg
Bob Carruthers: Panzers I & II: Germany’s Light Tanks

[Zyranovos]

I’d like to see the II J and possibly the II L, or Pz. I C. I’d also like to have a reason for them to add the Pz II, Pz III, and Pz VI Flamm Tanks.

[l2ulan]

I agree the II L would be interesting to add, with Scouting to make it useful to bring to up into higher BR games.

As for the II D, the danger is overrunning low BRs with fairly capable Pz II variants. Cautiously +1.

[Ghostmaxi]

Its slower and slower fireing than the 222 and 234/1.

[Zyranovos]

Which one? The D or L? The D is almost exactly the same as the F other than looks for the most part, the L had a few different hull types, and two different guns fitted, on of them being the 2cm KwK and the other being the 30mm Mk 103, so it just depends. I think WOT has a Pz II L with the 50mm, fully turreted, unlike the open top we have which is historically accurate. Seeing how we already have the II L hull it wouldn’t be hard to add.

[Ghostmaxi]

Dam, you should read more into history and less WOT. No 3 cm gun was fittet and the D looks nothing and is nothing like the F. D and E are the same with different track types (D beeing dry and E lubricated) F is more of an Improved C with the transmission and engine again moved from the middle to the side and the new KwK 38. The D has the KwK 30. The L again is a whole new development with moving engine and transmission in the middle, new wider newer tracks with interleafed roadwheels and a whole new turret. The 3 cm gun is fully fantasy and the 5 cm gun was never build.

[KillaKiwi]

Can you make a suggestion for the early Pz IIs? Basically a C without the extra armor.
The version (C) we have in-game is already from 1940 but a pre-war version could be put at 1.0.

[Ghostmaxi]

I actually was allready thinking about that, they could have a place in game in an possible WW1-Inter war mode without Pzgr.40