Panzer I Ausf. C

[Ghostmaxi]

[Would you like to see this in-game?]

• Yes
• No

I would like to suggest the Pz I Ausf. C armed with the EW 141 and MG 34. While Overall the vehicle is nothing super good and the Armarment can be considdered rather weak, it would be the only real full Pz I in game, beyond Pzj I, Flakpanzer I and Panzer I Ausf. B mit 3,7 cm Flak.
It would offer a fast and nimble gameplay against other light targets (again not that powerfull armarment) and give show the beginning of the German Army tanks and completes the Number system of tanks with Pz I to Pz VIII.

History:
In 1942 the german army wanted a light Reconnaissance tank and a took as basis the Pz I, with further improvements and modernisations. It started as part of the VK series.
Initially developed by Kniepkamp, taken over by Krauss-Maffai, the Pz I Ausf. C was developed to be fast and manuvarable.
Intended to be airborn and reconnaissance, it was only used as a standart light tank in combat, as alternatives were simply better.

Development started in August 1939 as Vk. 6.01 after Vk 5 series was seen as wishfull thinking with heavy limitations. First by Kniepkamp who befor had great success with development of fast Halftracks. However during development Kniepkamp had problems with the electic and steering unit and could not meet the timescales. After further devlopment and changes Krauss Maffai was awarded Trail production of 6 Vehicles in October 1938 with the HL 45 P engine.
After trails of the Vk 6 prototypes were over a order for 0-Serie over 40 vehicles was given, that were produced from March to September 1941, however no following orders were made after they ended overall unsatosfactory for their intended purpose.

Pictures: (Click to show)

The Gun:
7,92 mm EW 141 -10 to +20° Elevation
Semi Automatic Fire rate is as fast as you can press the trigger (In game sadly will be most likely 60 rpm, tho trained people can shoot faster (See YT or other videos).
Ammo: 7,92x94mm
S.m.K. H Rs L’Spur 14,53g Bullet and 8,65g Core 1250m/s 35mm
Pz Panzergeschoss 10,4g (full steel with copper band) 1450m/s 36mm (by Gaijins calculator)And Coax Mg 34 Gun and Ammo

Gun and Ammo (Click to show)

(Ammo existed with Teargas and without)

And Panzergeschoß (Full caliber steel round with copper driving band)

The Coax Mg 34 can also get the S.m.K H ammo with 20-22mm/10m and 19mm/100m
This would improve the armarment beyond the limited 60 rpm of the EW 141
19mm at 100m (Historic source by the british)
Gaijins Apcr calculator is faulty for small caliber ammo.
normal calculator of gaijin without APCBC modifier 20mm/10m
with (as it is a round with a lead protected nose and ballistic mantle) 22mm/10m

S.m.K.H (Click to show)

The Hull:
Length / Width / Height: 4,1 m / 1,9 m / 1,9 m
Weigh: 8 ton
Crew: 2
Speed: 79 km/h
Armor 30-5 mm
Engine: HL 45 P 150 Ps
40 Produced

Source:
Panzer Tracts No 1-1 and 1-2
Panzerkampfwagen I und II and ihre Abarten.
Panzer I & II Germanys light tanks.

[Valcour]

+1 for two reasons.

1. German really does need at least 1 Pz.1 in game and this would be the least helpless

2. It a really funky little tank so I like it on general principles.

[JamesPond1200]

A fine addition to 1.0, and a seriously quirky one! +1

[Istraya多-911]

this gonna be fun +1

[KratOerwin]

+1 sure if only it was categorized as a SPAA due to it’s having 5-30mm of armor which is very thin for a tank in reserve (or possibly 1.0)The armament itself was perfect for anti air purpose instead of anti tank weaponry.

[Ghostmaxi]

Highly doubt that, fire rate will (sadly) be limited to 60 rpm in game by gaijin, and then again, both are mere 7,92mm rounds with limited elevation of 20°

[jayzjet13]

World of Tanks bias

[JamesPond1200]

I’ve heard this is quite the menace in that game. Been years since I touched anything Wargaming related though.

[Bru322356]

i have no plans on playing germany but this is one of the few vehicles that would make me want to, if it gets added we will be closer to also get the panzer 2 j or even the luchs, big 1+

[Gross1985]

Yes, please.

[SinisterIsRandom]

No, because 1 it could not perform as a SPAA, and 2 lacks any proper defensive armaments to effectively counter tanks.

[KillaKiwi]

It has a 7.92mm heavy AT rifle as main armament.
It has enough penetration to destroy the majority of light tanks in rank 1.

The 7.92x57 AP uses a steel core of 6.13mm diamter that weighs 5.79g.
It penetrates 12mm of armor at PB range with a velocity of 785m/s.

The 7.92x94mm APCR-T has a tungsten core of 6.13mm diamter that weighs 8.65g and is fired at 1200m/s. Velocity at 500m will be approximately 788m/s. So it would probably penetrate around 15-17mm at 500m and around 30mm from at PB.

So it has armor penetration in the order of a heavy machine gun.

Edit: I was wrong about the core weight. It’s merely 8.65g instead of 11g.

[Gross1985]

Couldn’t it be used for scouting, then?

Then again, scouting in this game is a bit of a challenge. You can only scout one vehicle at a time…

[KillaKiwi]

More importantly: You can only scout with Rank II vehicles.

[SinisterIsRandom]

Stil the dumbest decision honestly.

[PercussionCap]

Can’t have the dedicated scout vehicles, which often end up at low tier, actually be useful, now can we?

[KillaKiwi]

The M8 LAC is so criminally undertiered that it could easily be 2.0 and Rank II.

Suprisingly the lowest BR for scout vehicle is actualy 2.3 with the Pz.Sfl.Ic, being a Rank II light tank (previously tank destroyer, iirc). Everything else is 2.7 at the lowest.

I think there are only three vehicle that are 1.7 or 2.0 and are Rank II 🤔

I think the logic behind restricting scouting to Rank 1 doesn’t really make much sense to begin with, since those vehicles should have scouting, particular if you take them to higher BRs.
But this arbitrary restriction takes the scouting from scout vehicles away, which is just dumb.

[PercussionCap]

@KillaKiwi

Suprisingly the lowest BR for scout vehicle is actualy 2.3 with the Pz.Sfl.Ic, being a Rank II light tank (previously tank destroyer, iirc). Everything else is 2.7 at the lowest.

It’s a real shame that tanks like the Pz. 38 n.A. a DEDICATED scout light tank, is stuck down at rank 1 while being 2.3. And yeah, the M8 is stupidly undertiered.

So even if you wanted, you can’t take a small and fast light tank to be a capable scout in say… the german 3.0 or 3.3 lineups. As the Puma is now 3.7.

[KillaKiwi]

I wish I could take the Sd.Kfz 234/1 or the Aufklärungspanzer 38(t) into higher BRs, scout and kill some light armored targets :/

I used the Sd. Kfz 234/1 before in the 3.7 BR range and it worked quite well. It would just be so much more effective, If I could actually scout for me team.

[Ghostmaxi]

I suppose the Sd.Kfz.231 if added some day could take that roll.