Panzer I Ausf.C

Ghostmaxi · January 28, 2024, 9:41pm

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I would like to suggest the Pz I Ausf. C armed with the EW 141 and MG 34. While Overall the vehicle is nothing super good and the Armarment can be considdered rather weak, it would be the only real full Pz I in game, beyond Pzj I, Flakpanzer I and Panzer I Ausf. B mit 3,7 cm Flak.
It would offer a fast and nimble gameplay against other light targets (again not that powerfull armarment) and give show the beginning of the German Army tanks and completes the Number system of tanks with Pz I to Pz VIII.

History:
In 1942 the german army wanted a light Reconnaissance tank and a took as basis the Pz I, with further improvements and modernisations. It started as part of the VK series.
Initially developed by Kniepkamp, taken over by Krauss-Maffai, the Pz I Ausf. C was developed to be fast and manuvarable.
Intended to be airborn and reconnaissance, it was only used as a standart light tank in combat, as alternatives were simply better.

Development started in August 1939 as Vk. 6.01 after Vk 5 series was seen as wishfull thinking with heavy limitations. First by Kniepkamp who befor had great success with development of fast Halftracks. However during development Kniepkamp had problems with the electic and steering unit and could not meet the timescales. After further devlopment and changes Krauss Maffai was awarded Trail production of 6 Vehicles in October 1938 with the HL 45 P engine.
After trails of the Vk 6 prototypes were over a order for 0-Serie over 40 vehicles was given, that were produced from March to September 1941, however no following orders were made after they ended overall unsatosfactory for their intended purpose.

Pictures: (Click to show)

The Gun:
7,92 mm EW 141 -10 to +20° Elevation 360° Traverse at 30°/sec or more.
Semi Automatic Fire rate is as fast as you can press the trigger (In game sadly will be most likely 60 rpm, tho trained people can shoot faster (See YT or other videos).
Ammo: 7,92x94mm

7,92mm Mg and EW 141 and Pzb.38/39

Picture:(Click to show)

Initially designed along the Mg 131 and Mg 151, using the Patrone 318 of the Pzb. 38/39/41 it was to offer superior ballistics and penetration compared to the normal Mgs while taking up less space and weight compared to its bigger brothers. Was discontinued duo to extreme barrle wear with the 900 Rpm as well as ammo cost of the S.m.K.H. while overall not beeing as effective as envisioned.

Instead the EW 141 (Einbauwaffe) was developed from it, to be mounted into tanks (Pz I Ausf. C and R.K.9.) but only in Semi-Automatic to reduce barrle wear.

Caliber: 7,92mm

Ammo: 7,92x94mm

Fire Rate: 900 rpm (theoretical, tho only Semi-Automatic) (In game propably limited to 60 rpm)

Bletfed

Muzzle velocity: 1250 - 1450 m/s

Weight: 22,5 kg

Mounting: Main gun in Pz I Ausf. C and R.K.9 Hybrid Tank

Ammo Types: Ap, Ap-T(c) and Ap(c)

Cutaway and Drawings of ammo:(Click to show)

S.m.K.H. Rs L'Spur (Ap-T(c)) 14,53g 1250/1280m/s 35mm/10m

S.m.K.H (Ap(c)) 12,6g 1300m/s 35mm/10m

Panzergeschoss (Ap) 10,4g 1450m/s 36mm/10m (Gaijins Calculator)

(Full caliber steel round with copper driving band) To reduce needed copper and lead and increase penetration after pasing through 3mm dualiminium aircraft skin at 70° (at 100m still 8,8mm penetration instead of mere 4mm)

The Hull:
Length / Width / Height: 4,1 m / 1,9 m / 1,9 m
Weigh: 8 ton
Crew: 2
Speed: 79 km/h
Armor 30-5 mm
Engine: HL 45 P 150 Ps
40 Produced

Source:
Panzer Tracts No 1-1 and 1-2
Panzerkampfwagen I und II and ihre Abarten.
Panzer I & II Germanys light tanks.

Valcour · January 28, 2024, 10:05pm

+1 for two reasons.

German really does need at least 1 Pz.1 in game and this would be the least helpless
It a really funky little tank so I like it on general principles.

JamesPond1200-psn · January 29, 2024, 1:33pm

A fine addition to 1.0, and a seriously quirky one! +1

Istraya多-911 · January 30, 2024, 8:11pm

this gonna be fun +1

KratOerwin · March 24, 2024, 1:26pm

+1 sure if only it was categorized as a SPAA due to it’s having 5-30mm of armor which is very thin for a tank in reserve (or possibly 1.0)The armament itself was perfect for anti air purpose instead of anti tank weaponry.

Ghostmaxi · March 24, 2024, 3:42pm

Highly doubt that, fire rate will (sadly) be limited to 60 rpm in game by gaijin, and then again, both are mere 7,92mm rounds with limited elevation of 20°

jayzjet13-psn · March 25, 2024, 3:32am

World of Tanks bias

JamesPond1200-psn · March 25, 2024, 3:42am

I’ve heard this is quite the menace in that game. Been years since I touched anything Wargaming related though.

Bru322356-psn · March 29, 2024, 3:02am

i have no plans on playing germany but this is one of the few vehicles that would make me want to, if it gets added we will be closer to also get the panzer 2 j or even the luchs, big 1+

Gross1985-psn · September 4, 2024, 10:20pm

Yes, please.

SinisterIsRandom · September 4, 2024, 10:26pm

No, because 1 it could not perform as a SPAA, and 2 lacks any proper defensive armaments to effectively counter tanks.

KillaKiwi · September 5, 2024, 1:25pm

It has a 7.92mm heavy AT rifle as main armament.
It has enough penetration to destroy the majority of light tanks in rank 1.

The 7.92x57 AP uses a steel core of 6.13mm diamter that weighs 5.79g.
It penetrates 12mm of armor at PB range with a velocity of 785m/s.

The 7.92x94mm APCR-T has a tungsten core of 6.13mm diamter that weighs 8.65g and is fired at 1200m/s. Velocity at 500m will be approximately 788m/s. So it would probably penetrate around 15-17mm at 500m and around 30mm from at PB.

So it has armor penetration in the order of a heavy machine gun.

Edit: I was wrong about the core weight. It’s merely 8.65g instead of 11g.

Gross1985-psn · September 5, 2024, 6:23pm

Couldn’t it be used for scouting, then?

Then again, scouting in this game is a bit of a challenge. You can only scout one vehicle at a time…

KillaKiwi · September 5, 2024, 7:06pm

More importantly: You can only scout with Rank II vehicles.

SinisterIsRandom · September 5, 2024, 10:39pm

Stil the dumbest decision honestly.

PercussionCap · September 6, 2024, 10:09am

Can’t have the dedicated scout vehicles, which often end up at low tier, actually be useful, now can we?

KillaKiwi · September 6, 2024, 2:26pm

The M8 LAC is so criminally undertiered that it could easily be 2.0 and Rank II.

Suprisingly the lowest BR for scout vehicle is actualy 2.3 with the Pz.Sfl.Ic, being a Rank II light tank (previously tank destroyer, iirc). Everything else is 2.7 at the lowest.

I think there are only three vehicle that are 1.7 or 2.0 and are Rank II 🤔

I think the logic behind restricting scouting to Rank 1 doesn’t really make much sense to begin with, since those vehicles should have scouting, particular if you take them to higher BRs.
But this arbitrary restriction takes the scouting from scout vehicles away, which is just dumb.

PercussionCap · September 6, 2024, 2:33pm

It’s a real shame that tanks like the Pz. 38 n.A. a DEDICATED scout light tank, is stuck down at rank 1 while being 2.3. And yeah, the M8 is stupidly undertiered.

So even if you wanted, you can’t take a small and fast light tank to be a capable scout in say… the german 3.0 or 3.3 lineups. As the Puma is now 3.7.

KillaKiwi · September 6, 2024, 2:36pm

I wish I could take the Sd.Kfz 234/1 or the Aufklärungspanzer 38(t) into higher BRs, scout and kill some light armored targets :/

I used the Sd. Kfz 234/1 before in the 3.7 BR range and it worked quite well. It would just be so much more effective, If I could actually scout for me team.

Ghostmaxi · September 6, 2024, 2:38pm

I suppose the Sd.Kfz.231 if added some day could take that roll.