Yes, every other nation should have gotten a SPAA equal to the Pantsir by now, it was added in March 2023 so a year and a half ago and no other nations really comes close. There are certainly options for every nation to get an equal SPAA, but gaijin just doesnt seem to want to add them.
But…
that doesnt mean its at the wrong BR nevertheless. Pantsir vs ADATS it’s pretty clear which is better and that they really really shouldnt be the same BR. Id go as far as to say the ADATS could perhaps do with being dropped down to 11.3, Pantsir moved up to 12.0 and then add SPAA ASAP to every other nation at 12.0.
I really dont think ground launched AMRAAMs, would actually be all that powerful. There was an upgraded version with longer range but the first version I think was like 20km absolute max. With how nerfed AMRAAM are, they would probably be a weaker SAM system than the Pantsir.
For Britain you have options like the Supacat HVM that fires 14-16km range ASRAAM. Again, IRL would be stronger than Pantsir, in game, probably defeated by a few flares, but would at least have a range greater than 8km.
Though maybe its time to work out how to add SPAA that have seperate radars. The status quo cannot remain short of making CAP for all nations but the soviets like 150-200 SP
what stops you from doing that in game? i typically focus on the SPAA over tanks initially due to the fact they pose a fking threat? xD if youre at top tier, you either got access to GBUs on most air craft, or AGM65s of some description, use them take out the enemy SPAA go rearm and repeat until youve got uncontested air ?
the pantsir at top tier isnt the issue, the fucking F16s etc all hurling ARH missiles is
Pantsir out ranges AGM-65 in most situations, let alone it can intercept them if not spammed.
A lot of GBU carriers like the Tornado can rarely get into a position to actually emply GBUs vs a Pantsir.
Yes there are exceptions, but I think hes talking about adding things like HARM, that would give another possible counter vs the Pantsir, though the Pantsir can quite happily operate without radar unlike stuff like the ADATS, so would probably end up nerfing everyone elses SPAA and not changing a thing for the Pantsir
ASRAAM is far too busted to even consider it would just shut down all opposing air.
to say that an amraam launching SPAA would be weaker than the pantsir is just total fuckign nonsense man, the pantsir 90 percent of the time is fucking useless unless you fly in a straight line, seriously this nonsense of people thinking its the iron dome system incarnate is just ridiculous.
and cap for the soviets when i spawn it is still the same as other fighters dunno where youre pulling 150 to 200 SP from man, you also dont have any top tier soviet shit unlocked, infact, your only rank 8s are british.
there are far, far more busted SPAA at stupid levels than the pantsir in a BR bracket where ATGMS have over 16km range, and the cap thing as well, it costs me 480 to spawn an unloaded mig19 in a top tier game, same as any other fighter thats severely under BRd for the match.
ASRAAM is just out of hte picture mate it is what you think the pantsir would be, and also it isnt a single vehicle SPAA is it ? thought it was two part, the missiles are ridiculous we dont even have ASRAAM in air yet, and again Amraam missiles would be pushing SPAA to the limits, if two amraam slinging spaa were up the enemy air would be completely done, christ fire it within 10km in ARB dunno bout sim yet, and its usually a kill.
so yeah i use the harrier Gr7 to flank around and scud them with agms just fine, hell i do it with dumb bombs on the gripen as well. theyre really not that difficult to take out at all.
the tornado is a lost cause in air and ground as its either missing half its shit, or is completely modeled wrong, that isnt the fault of tha pantsir and is an issue for another topic.
the HARM is an antiradiation missile so its not gonna be much use at all. bar against smashing spaa from absolute miles away.
Using Mavs or GBUs isn’t SEAD. It’s DEAD. When an ARM is in the air the Pantsir would need to turn of its radar and move to a different location or shoot down the missile giving friendly planes time to attack, sure it also has to shoot down mavs but with the mavs you first have to see the pantsir visually while with an ARM you fire it either in the rough direction or use its search function. One might also consider the addition of the TALD but idk how useful it would be considering the small ranges on a WT map
If you canr see a pantsir then thats a skill issue man.
Things a massive truck.
Not like spotting an ozelot, to boot. Even with HARMs i bet you still fly in a straight line to fire it back at the pantsirs radar, which btw it does not need…
So it or another spaa, or cap will take you out.
Situational awereness is the issue 90 percent of the time. Not the vehicles themselves.
For example i die more to ITOs than to pantsirs, does that mean they need to go up in br ? Or be nerfed ?. No.
The pantsir may have a higher range but the principle is the same as any other spaa at top tier.
You should already be expecting it to lock and launch, pre emptively moving before hand.
Also… Again… This is Gaijin we are talking about, if it has better IRCCM than an Aim-9M/R-73 I would be greatly surprised. It will probably be easily flareable.
AMRAAM are really easily defeated with proper chaff usage and ulike the Pantsir, you would actually get RWR warnings and so know you are being fired at, which is a luxuary you do not get when fighting the Pantsir 99% of the time.
Soviets can spawn an effective top tier SPAA with 16km range for 70 SP. This can easily counter the Tornado Gr1, and is extremely hard to deal with in the Harrier Gr7. Gripen does have an easier time, but is limited on payload, especially if I run any sort of multirole. The ADATS on a good day might get a kill out to 8km. If i want to counter something like the SU-25SM3, my only option is to spawn CAP. Something like the Sea Harrier FA2 which costs well over 600 SP. That is not exactly fair.
I can counter any top tier SAM in the Tornado Gr1 with ease except the Pantsir where I rarely can spawn in safely, let alone actually employ any weapons. My best game in the Tornado Gr1 at top tier involved managing to fire off 9x PGM-2000s vs a Pantsir, not a single one hit however because they were all shot down long ebfore they hit the target.
Again… Would have at best, the same range as a Pantsir, likely with a weaker radar or even IRST only. Aim-9Ls have a fraction of the flare resistance they had IRL. Aim-9Ms have a fraction of the flare resistance they had IRL. The likelyhood ASRAAM, especially launched at 14km, would be any more resistant than an Aim-9M fired at the same range, is unlikely. This is Gaijin, It is war Thunder. It will be nerfed through the floor.
Reading all of what you said, the tornado is a flying shit bus that the gripen is superior in everh way for ground attack in warthunder due to thr game design, with or without pantsir.
2 the harrier is a fantastic spaa demolisher, however you saying you cannot spawn in safely due to pantsir is telling me that you spawn in and dont dive away from the combat zone, it may have a launch range of 16km bit it will mot land that, unless you fly in a straight line.
And yeah one amraam is easy to defeat, but if youve got a missile system with 8 of them, it aint gonna launch just one. Same issue in air with the amount of them that are shat out.
3 , ive not seen any official documentation that the 9L or 9M are incorrect for how the IRCCM works, the 9L irl is only flare resistant and the 9m is truly IRCCM which in game, it works a dream most the time.
4, asraam spaa would be absolutely ridiculous. And again you didnt address the issue most arent single vehicle platforms (mostly referring to amraam ones here but asraam too.)
Pantsirs are genuinely like anyother spaa, dont fly brain dead and its easy enough to take out.
Now if youll excuse me, im trying to make a bug report for the chieftain mk5 and subsequent newer models to habe access to the l15A5 tungest alloy APDS round over the cobalt copper L15A3
I dont think so. I have the Tor and the Pantsir. I would take the Pantsir over the Tor any time since its much easier to do Anti Air in it. Better missiles, more missiles, better radar, 30mm guns and it can actually shoot air targets that are closer than 2km. I have friends who have the FlaRakRad, they essentially become obsolete when I spawn it in since its better in any way