Ive never noticed anything, but maybe i’ve missed it and yeah, they nerfed PGMs hard, we could get the same IR seeker head in the AGM-65Ds, but alas, we are stuck with a TV seeker which can be a bit hit and miss.
The Pantsir shows up as “S1”, but it doesn’t really ping, it literally just shows up on the RWR
Hmm… I dont know if i’ve ever seen it in the Gr1, though get it in the Gripen
This is why they allow you to select take off from the air field. You can fly low and before the notice you it will most likely be to late.
Would future radar jamming with things like F15E affect the pansir or no?
how is it easy when it can track you easily, players gotta use alot of skills just to kill a single pantsir, but the new su-25 can easily do that 40km away, it’s easy to dodge if the pantsir user is bad, so again it’s not easy it needs a nerf or add multiple SPAA’s to other nations also.
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Potentially.
At least its radar, though it can launch and track via IRST right?
Tornado could likewise get Sky Shadow ECM pods. That certainly is the other option. Just give CAS some additional defensive aids
This. Plus, most GRB have a tight airspace, usually the range can be around 20-25km MAX. Making it bigger is better and allows for more opportunities with CAS/Air-to-Air combat. Maybe Gaijin will take this into consideration?
Intersting, maybe ive just not clcoked it. Usually focusing hard on turn hard and trying to evade. But its not the same as you get against most SAMs
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I believe so but even the best IRST is distracted easily by flares. To the point that they would have to manually guide it in if that is even possible with the pansir
Yeah, as I’ve said, the indicator just shows up, no lock or launch warnings, just an indication that it exists
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I think it is.
but from what I know about ECM. There is only so much it can do. Vs PD radar, it doesnt do much, and the closer you get the radar can “burn” through the ECM. But even if it just buys you those precious few extra seconds after spawning, maybe thats all you need. Same with dumping a metric ton of CMs the moment you spawn (looking forward to that in the Tornado hopefully next major update)
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I just generally assume there is always at least 1 pantsir if vs soviets.
Fair lol
I don’t know how other SAMs fare at top tier, but in the ADATS and Stormer the IRSTs almost never get bothered by flares.
And yeah, the Pantsir has SACLOS guided missiles, you can guide them without locking a target and you can keep guiding them if you lose your lock
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I mean we will have to persevere for a while but…… maybe one day we will have data link which would make NATO spaa superior.
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Does the f15e carry anywhere close to this amount of flares. Also once we get things like JDAMS and LARSO bombs the pansirs only purpose will be to shoot those down.
No it isn’t. It cannot hit CAS targets that are high altitude beyond 12km except drones and helicopters.
All 10 tech trees need better SPAA.
I dont really know much about US aircraft. So shall leave that for someone else to comment on. But it may have BOL? Which would give it a decent amount of Flares and chaff. But we are waiting on BOL to be fixed. (currently in a massively nerfed state)
Tornado IDS carries those 2 large BOZ pods on each wing, and they should have 28 large calibre flares and 600 chaff each.
So 1200 chaff in total. Tornado Gr1 could also get 2xBOL for an additonal 320 CMs.
So for me thats, the main issue in defeating pantsir and other SPAA. I jsut dont have enough CMs,
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