Missiles aren’t players.
And Pantsir isn’t OP,.
I know you want to be unkillable in your precious CAS that’s already OP and unkillable, but Pantsir is just as bad as ITO-90M at fragging CAS.
Can’t get over just how useless missiles are at anything close range, things are just casually flying around spawn and there is nothing you can do.
Not that simple though.
If you manage to climb to that height, you might be fine. But. If you spawn in something like a Tornado and immediately break, and try to climb, you will get shot down by a Pantsir in the next 10 seconds.
If you dive away first, you might, might survive spawning in against a Pantsir but then you are going to be spending ages side climbing all the way up to that height. And those distances mean nothing. Ive been sniped at 15km+ in the Gripen pulling High-G turns dogfighting someone.
But thats besides the point. The issue is that you simply cannot spawn in 9/10 because you will get shot down the moment you spawn. This could be so easily fixed by just moving the air spawn back another 5-10km.
Pantsir’s firing 18+ missiles at me from 3km away not able to do anything.
Funniest thing cause that’s also far out of their gun range as well.
@Morvran
Tornado I only died once cause it was Abandoned Factory and that hasn’t been updated to 80x80km yet like other maps.
Otherwise it’s unkillable on the other maps.
Been killing quite a lot of them with the Tornado GR1 with fair ease.
I have never been able to spawn in succesfully and survive in the Tornado Gr1.
Turning away spamming CMs, gets hit.
Dive spamming CMs, gets hit.
Hard climb spamming CMs, gets hit.
No tactic ive found thus far actually provides suffecient protection to bring any guided weapon to bear in the Gr1 and the few times ive survived long enough to get PGMs off, Pantsirs just shoot them out of the sky.
You have two options against the pantsir in the GR1.
Upon airspawning if your RWR shows an S1 ping immediately dive straight down and it won’t be able to hit you before you can hug the treeline, or if you know it’s already up you can just spawn on airfield.
Then you can either fly out of its range and climb to about 25km, turn around and throw a PGM at him going about mach 1 and break off.
Or you can fly along the tree line popping up just high enough to see him at about 7km, launch and then immediately drop down and break off under cover.
Yeah, AF spawning is basically my plan going forward. Though im hoping our missing 1200 chaff and hopefully 320 BOL CMs coming next major should help a bit.
But would also help if our FM wasnt buggered as well. That extra little G might help defending.
The GR1 is heavily underestimated in how powerful it is.
Do you even have the Pantsir?
Vs any other SAM. Id agree. Its just spawning in vs a Pantisr I have issue with. You are immediately engaged and its next to impossible to defend against like you can with others.
Though still no reason why the Gr1 (and other IDS) are so heavily nerfed. They are a shadow of their IRL performance.
Even the pantsir doesn’t really bother me. It just takes a little more time to deal with if you go for option 1 compared to other SAM systems.
The pantsir annoys me mainly because they have the best AA along with the best CAS in the game. Pantsir can easily shoot down multiple incoming missiles while stuff like Flarakrad and ITO90M can’t do it as quickly.
That’s an irrelevant question.
Facing SPAA gives you more information than using it.
The fact that I only died once to Pantsir and that’s cause it was Abandoned Factory out of the hundreds of missiles fired at me tells me everything I need to know about it.
Best of the worst SPAA still isn’t great SPAA.
And best of the worst CAS still isn’t top CAS. F-16C, F-14B, Mirage 2000s, Gripens are all the best CAS in War Thunder, none of which are in the Soviets.
It’s a completely relevant question. I have experience playing and fighting against the pantsir. It is the best AA in the game by faaaaar and should’ve never been added when it was. They should’ve added the TOR like they said they were going to but nope Russia needs more OP stuff.
All 10 tech trees need SPAA more powerful than Pantsir, TOR-M1, and ITO-90M; Since those two are identical against jets as Pantsir is.
CAS is unkillable and OP, nothing currently in War Thunder can kill top CAS from the ground.
I know you feel obligated to defend Russia against NATO fans criticizing their equipment, but you really don’t need to.
“AlvisWisla”, what a joke all your reply in this post. The only thing you said is true is All nations need to have a good anti air defence like Pantsir. And CAS unkillable? I go tell same thing you said to a guy upper for kill the Pantsir: go take a plane to counter the CAS! no? lol
-Pantsir not Op? lol, even the Tungunska is far better than other ALL Spaa/SAM of all others Nations top tier!. ANd her supa canon quad 30mm with high burst, good pen and so fast rotation rate + is Radar who see through ground trees/houses etc and even small hills; make very very hard to kill it in a fast plane suprised flat attack.
Many Nation have good SAM irl like French or US and no one in the game. FOr France they have the ITO just because lazzy gaijin can do their speciality: copy/paste with sweden. And Crotal missile are the same as Mistral actual in the game, a total trash and useless who can ONLY kill a target who not move and go straight…and even there Mistral miss…pathetic. Gaijin turn one the the best missiles of her ages by MBDA to something useless, i even stop play Mistral in my French heli and take Manpad Stinger…what a shame for a French.
You are just wrong with this.
Huh? I’m saying the Pantsir is OP?
Again you are just wrong here the Pantsir is far better then both the Tor and the ITO90M
If you think you can beat CAS in your Pantsir, you’re more than welcome to try in a custom match.
Why would I waste my time in a custom match when I’ve already shat on CAS in actual matches?
Let me guess you’re gonna say “uhhh you’re scared you’ll lose”