Completely forgetting about destruction of AGMs with them.
In terms of CAS, possibly, but the Su-25 is much much better multirole.
forgot about the vikhr the fastest atgm from a heli
forgetting about ranges of that new missile
And that airframes like the A-7 (The A-10 is too slow) and Su-24 exist, which are much closer counterparts to the Su-25 and F-111 respectively.
That’s just outright wrong. I shoot down Missiles with my pantisr alllllll the time (my missiles that I fire at Pantsirs get shot down all the time too). The Pantsir is blatantly OP and I genuinely don’t see how you are denying it.
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We’re talking about the 10.0 Su-25 against the Aardvark.
Of course the Su-25SM3 is better than the Aardvark, and I think anyone can agree.
Missiles aren’t players.
And Pantsir isn’t OP,.
I know you want to be unkillable in your precious CAS that’s already OP and unkillable, but Pantsir is just as bad as ITO-90M at fragging CAS.
Can’t get over just how useless missiles are at anything close range, things are just casually flying around spawn and there is nothing you can do.
Not that simple though.
If you manage to climb to that height, you might be fine. But. If you spawn in something like a Tornado and immediately break, and try to climb, you will get shot down by a Pantsir in the next 10 seconds.
If you dive away first, you might, might survive spawning in against a Pantsir but then you are going to be spending ages side climbing all the way up to that height. And those distances mean nothing. Ive been sniped at 15km+ in the Gripen pulling High-G turns dogfighting someone.
But thats besides the point. The issue is that you simply cannot spawn in 9/10 because you will get shot down the moment you spawn. This could be so easily fixed by just moving the air spawn back another 5-10km.
Pantsir’s firing 18+ missiles at me from 3km away not able to do anything.
Funniest thing cause that’s also far out of their gun range as well.
@Morvran
Tornado I only died once cause it was Abandoned Factory and that hasn’t been updated to 80x80km yet like other maps.
Otherwise it’s unkillable on the other maps.
Been killing quite a lot of them with the Tornado GR1 with fair ease.
I have never been able to spawn in succesfully and survive in the Tornado Gr1.
Turning away spamming CMs, gets hit.
Dive spamming CMs, gets hit.
Hard climb spamming CMs, gets hit.
No tactic ive found thus far actually provides suffecient protection to bring any guided weapon to bear in the Gr1 and the few times ive survived long enough to get PGMs off, Pantsirs just shoot them out of the sky.
You have two options against the pantsir in the GR1.
Upon airspawning if your RWR shows an S1 ping immediately dive straight down and it won’t be able to hit you before you can hug the treeline, or if you know it’s already up you can just spawn on airfield.
Then you can either fly out of its range and climb to about 25km, turn around and throw a PGM at him going about mach 1 and break off.
Or you can fly along the tree line popping up just high enough to see him at about 7km, launch and then immediately drop down and break off under cover.
Yeah, AF spawning is basically my plan going forward. Though im hoping our missing 1200 chaff and hopefully 320 BOL CMs coming next major should help a bit.
But would also help if our FM wasnt buggered as well. That extra little G might help defending.
The GR1 is heavily underestimated in how powerful it is.
Do you even have the Pantsir?
Vs any other SAM. Id agree. Its just spawning in vs a Pantisr I have issue with. You are immediately engaged and its next to impossible to defend against like you can with others.
Though still no reason why the Gr1 (and other IDS) are so heavily nerfed. They are a shadow of their IRL performance.
Even the pantsir doesn’t really bother me. It just takes a little more time to deal with if you go for option 1 compared to other SAM systems.
The pantsir annoys me mainly because they have the best AA along with the best CAS in the game. Pantsir can easily shoot down multiple incoming missiles while stuff like Flarakrad and ITO90M can’t do it as quickly.