oh I read it and 6 FnF brimstones that lets see have less range, worse speed, less exsplosive mass and no LOG after they lose lock is some how now far to strong compared to a Mach capable missile with a 20km range, far more explosive mass and an IOG that can hit targets that try to hide in smoke?
please go on explain how the tornado is more over powered in this situation, with out trying to say LOAL
It very much is a real mode of Brimstone:
Ok, i will put it like this. Im not trying to argue that it should be added, its devs decision. I just want to point out that this:
Is factually wrong.
Its very clear your opinion is pre-set and not going to change. The differences and details have been explained numerous times. I do not think repeating it all yet again is going to move things forward here with you sadly.
Your point and opinion has very much been made. As I said however, it doesn’t change the larger and overall context as to why FnF is not going to be introduced.
its not my mind is set, its you havent said a single thing that explains why a tornado with 6 FnF brimstones locked to mode 2 would be more OP then a Su34 with 6 KH38MTs
the only advantage would be seeing through smoke which can be mitigated with the implement of chaff in smoke that we know at the very least Nato uses on MBTs
So can’t you provide a test mode to see how much it destroys the “balance”?
And on our earth, we can already interfere with MMV missiles by loading smoke bombs with aluminum foil and other materials.
They have all been outlined countless times, since the dev blog, by myself and by @Gunjob directly to you numerous times, in this topic, the RR topic and the Tornado GR.4.
Its very clear you do not agree with that, and thats ok. But please do not act like you have not been answered on this subject several times.
The known perimeters of Brimstone in FnF mode can already be deducted and for the reasons explained here, it cannot be added to the game currently. A test is not required to prove whats already known about the key features of Brimstone in FnF mode.
tbh I think I would also enjoy the AJ. 168 with a bullpup launch system option too, so you can manually guide it from the plane itself if you wanted to. (sorry to off track just something I thought right now as I noticed it doesnt carry bullpups) Not man in the loop, just like, MCLOS it.
Yes on a technical level you are correct FnF brimstone is ahead. Requires no input before launch and can all be fired off at once.
You also can’t launch out of SPAA range the pantsir exists and if your using brimstones your comfortably within range of the pantsir.
Yes stuff like mavs and KH38 require a single input before launch. Doesn’t stop the fact the KH38 can be comfortably launched well outside of SPAA range and you can’t do anything about it.
Id rather of got no brimstones at all than what this currently is. Have to stay lazing a target for a whole minute because they are incredibly slow. Actively makes the GR4 much more of a target for spaa because it has to loiter unlike Su34 which can literally just launch all 6 turn around RTB and repeat.
This really doesn’t make any sense. You can simply opt to not use them. Not having them at all takes away from those that do actually want to use them. Not adding them at all means nobody wins at all.
Understood. If a FnF Brimstone is not possible, are other FnF weapons being considered for more modern British aircraft in the future?
Any other options and valid suggestions of historical weaponry for aircraft will of course be taken into consideration.
the thing is, these outlines have been proven wrong by the existence of weapons in WT, dont get me wrong a FnF brimstone would be powerful but more powerful then a multirole plane with ARHM and 6 KH38s?
the only thing I could see as a concern is seeing through foliage better but even then the IOG of a KH38 allows it to hit targets in dense forest
the concern of you being able to kill 6 tanks is already a fact with he Su34, and F15E and yes yes I know “But its FnF is better” its not even that much better as proven by the fact we can just get smoke with Chaff in it
the devs also seem to forget its far slower and has a shorter range than that of other weapons in game, which those downside would be justified if it had a slightly better FnF mode but it isnt if its actively worse in every way baring volume then these other weapons
Kh-38s existence does not disprove any of the well known features of Brimstone in fire and forget. Once again Kh-38 =/= Brimstone FnF mode. They are entirely different weapons with different capabilties.
issue is, typhoon which should be our best plane for A2A and A2G only has brimstone for a stand off missile, it could have storm shadow and spear but considering gaijins stance on the brimstone the spear has a snow balls chance in hell to make it
what do we even have as other stand of options besides brimstones for typhoons?
we gonna play with storm shadow and taurus before we actualy get useable brimstones
we dont need the mmw or loal features of the brimstones, just let us use them as any other simple IR lock on trough the targeting pod
instead of saying this can you please explain what these differences are besides it can see through smoke and can see through foliage better? you make it sound like it can see through terrain and buildings.