Thanks, also got a few more of the frecce and F-35 afterburner:
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Man that f35 pic is amazing. That one close pass you could feel in your chest.
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Si letteralmente ti faceva tremare xD
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Quel PW F135 è una gioia
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Mi ha stupito il primo passaggio dei tornado, una sturata di orecchie incredibile haha, tra l’altro talmente veloci che manco ho fatto in tempo a fotografarli…
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@Spil1tia-psn I shall take this to the correct thread, you are looking at the wrong stats.
The biggest impact between the two engines is in thrust and acceleration as you can see here, is lower with the Tornado Gr1. Not by a huge amount, granted, but enough to feel it in matches (GR4 just feels so much nicer to fly than the GR1 and maybe its a placebo effect as much as its an actual difference, but I still prefer to be at 12.3 in the GR4 than 11.7 in the GR1 largely because of it) . Enough that the GR1 is less likely to make it to a base compared to the ASSTA1 and IDS (1995) and unlike the other 2 nations, Britain doesnt have a single Tornado IDS at 11.3 either, and that is also quite severly felt.
When the Tornado Gr1 is 11.7 with weaker engines than the Tornado IDS, WTD61 and MFG at 11.3 with the exact same loadout (as no one is using guided weapons in ARB) , its just frustrating as hell
The reason given is nonsense and there are simply no excuses for it than a subtle nerf aimed solely at Britain and Britain alone.
it is a less than 1% difference so yeah might as well be placebo
on the topic of subtle nerfs, did you know that the f18c and f15c are both under performing in str? did you know that the canards of the su33/30/34 are not actually modeled at all and are only visual? did you also know that the su27s fm was up until storm warning based on numbers from a very early prototype that had a wildly different design than the final aircraft? yep seems like its only britian that gets its aircraft nerfed.
the planes were added before separate brs were introduced, gaijin hasn’t gone back and retroactively changed the air rb brs of any other planes in similar situations to my knowledge
Do you know so are the Typhoons?
Did you know the same is true for the Gripen?
Did you know the Tornado’s still have a placeholder FM that is underperforming greatly.
Did you know the Harriers are all underperforming dramatically? Even basic things like the sooty exhaust was reported a year ago now
The Tornado Gr1 is 11.3 in GRB and 11.7 in ARB/ASB. It literally has split BRs applied to it.
No, gaijin has concluded that GBUs are OP for A2A combat and therefore all the Tornados with guided weapons must be a higher BR than those with only dumb weapons even though no one uses guided weapons in ARB and only sometimes in ASB but that is largely irrelevant to their BR placement
Did you know the f/A-18 engines are also overperforming
wow almost like every thing is balanced to the same standards and there isnt actually some great anti britian conspiracy? shocking i know
pretty sure a report on those passed so it will likely be fixed soon
properly not soon
as i said, it was put at 11.7 before split brs were a thing and there are a bunch of strike aircraft in the same situation that have not been fixed either
if it dose take awhile i can guarantee it is due to laziness
Again, no, Gaijin have litereally gone on record and claimed that the Gr1, ASSTA1 and IDS (1995) are superior in ARB because they have “better effeceicny” but they have yet to explain how or why they do given they are 100% identical.
We never got that thread by the way, and a full year later, we have 6 100% identical aircraft split between 2 different battle ratings because… reasons…
Such as?
Is there a single other example of 2 strike aircraft being at different battle ratings in ARB without good explanation?
Only other I can think of is the AMX vs AMX A-1A but they do actually have differences in terms of missiles and guns
there are a handfull of su22s with only 12 flares at the same air rb brs as ones with 200+
and they are also 11.0 with 6x All-aspect IR missiles whilst being supersonic. They literally cannot go any lower without being broken OP or loosing the R-60Ms.
The one with more CMs could go higher, but does it have ths specs for it?
To me thats a compression issue, like the Harrier Gr1 with 0 CMs vs AV-8C/Harrier Gr3 with 60 CMs vs AV-8A/AV-8S with 240 CMs all at the same BR.
But they arent 100% identical. Tornado has the Same bombs (for all intent and purposes), same missiles, same FM (bar the GR1 with its nerfed engines), same CMs. Not a single difference of import to ARB
i disagree
So Su-22 with 6x R-60M vs Jaguar Gr1A with 2x Aim-9Gs (which has been routinely denied its Aim-9Ls) is fair?
Definetly no bias
a4b and a4e early are at the same br when one has cms and the other dosent